Lakers Off-Season Thread

[Retroram52]

As expected and a good signing too.

NBA Free Agency Rumors: Lakers re-sign Tarik Black to two-year deal

 

[DJ]

MItch needs to be on the phone with Presti.

Ingram and Russell for Westbrook.

 

[Retroram52]

The point that many pundits are stating about the state of the Lakers begins with the notion that the LA Clippers got to see KD but not the Lakers. We have indeed fallen to the bottom of the food chain when that happens.

KD's choice of the Dubs was expected. Either the Dubs or back to OKC. This may open the door for Westbrook, but I don't agree with any trades of Ingram or Russell or both for Westbrook. Not good for the Lakers.

Kevin Durant chooses Warriors

 

[wildturkey]

The Lakers alone took on Nash, Lin and Hibbert these last few years, didn't they?

They did but none of those are "expiring deals for picks" from years past the way trojan and I are referencing when he says you can just flip Mozgov's expiring in 4 years for a pick. Nash was acquired to be a legitimate piece to go along with Kobe, Gasol, and Howard. He was going to be significant part of the core, not just a cap casualty. He also had years left on his contract. If anything, Nash is a perfect example of why that market doesn't exist anymore the way it use to. Remember how quite a few people were complaining about how Nash was just stealing money after he broke down and that we needed to unload his contract? What happened? There wasn't a market for it. If this was the mid-00s, you would have seen more teams willing to part with assets to take on a player that couldn't play just to take advantage of that cap number. But that market just isn't there. The CBA changed the landscape making it much harder to do those types of deals. That the point. You just can't expect things to work out they use to while ignoring the realities around you.

As for the other two, we got Lin because Houston thought it had a deal in place for Chris Bosh and they needed to clear space for him. We already had cap space to absorb Lin's salary figure and we also got a 1st round pick because Houston was desperate to unload him. That's the exact opposite of the expiring for a pick deal. Houston had to give up a pick to get rid of an expiring and not only did they get nothing in return, Bosh changed his mind at the last minute. Then with Hibbert, Indy and Hibbert's relationship was poisonous. They were desperate to move him for anything. We gave up nothing to get him and we already had the cap room to take on his contract since we struck out with other free agents. The point of acquiring an expiring in the way we're talking about is to shed long term salary for short term while gaining assets to boot. That doesn't apply to Hibbert since we already had cap room to begin with.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

They did but none of those are "expiring deals for picks" from years past the way trojan and I are referencing when he says you can just flip Mozgov's expiring in 4 years for a pick. Nash was acquired to be a legitimate piece to go along with Kobe, Gasol, and Howard. He was going to be significant part of the core, not just a cap casualty. He also had years left on his contract. If anything, Nash is a perfect example of why that market doesn't exist anymore the way it use to. Remember how quite a few people were complaining about how Nash was just stealing money after he broke down and that we needed to unload his contract? What happened? There wasn't a market for it. If this was the mid-00s, you would have seen more teams willing to part with assets to take on a player that couldn't play just to take advantage of that cap number. But that market just isn't there. The CBA changed the landscape making it much harder to do those types of deals. That the point. You just can't expect things to work out they use to while ignoring the realities around you.

As for the other two, we got Lin because Houston thought it had a deal in place for Chris Bosh and they needed to clear space for him. We already had cap space to absorb Lin's salary figure and we also got a 1st round pick because Houston was desperate to unload him. That's the exact opposite of the expiring for a pick deal. Houston had to give up a pick to get rid of an expiring and not only did they get nothing in return, Bosh changed his mind at the last minute. Then with Hibbert, Indy and Hibbert's relationship was poisonous. They were desperate to move him for anything. We gave up nothing to get him and we already had the cap room to take on his contract since we struck out with other free agents. The point of acquiring an expiring in the way we're talking about is to shed long term salary for short term while gaining assets to boot. That doesn't apply to Hibbert since we already had cap room to begin with.

You're looking at this from the Lakers' point of view, not the other team. Phoenix gave up Nash for draft picks because they wanted to go younger and wanted to clear cap space. Houston and Indy both gave up their players to clear cap room. This is what @trojanfan12 is saying - once the Lakers get to the point that they need cap room or don't want Mosgov any more, they just trade him to a team that can absorb his contract (and most likely release them the following season), just like Phoenix, Houston and Indiana did.

 

[wildturkey]

You're looking at this from the Lakers' point of view, not the other team. Phoenix gave up Nash for draft picks because they wanted to go younger and wanted to clear cap space. Houston and Indy both gave up their players to clear cap room. This is what @trojanfan12 is saying - once the Lakers get to the point that they need cap room or don't want Mosgov any more, they just trade him to a team that can absorb his contract (and most likely release them the following season), just like Phoenix, Houston and Indiana did.

I get what you're trying to say but that's not the same though. None of those situations are the old school move an expiring deal. The deal, the way it worked, was both teams got value; team A gets cap relief and team B gets an asset, usually draft picks. Houston and Indy got nothing in return. Hell, Houston had to give up stuff just to move it. Phoenix didn't need relief. They moved Nash because they felt he was going to move on anyway so they wanted to get something for him, not because they were stuck with dead money and wanted a hard reset. These are different situations. The "value for expiring deals" are like Vin Baker or like Eddy Curry back in the day. Two gluttonous contracts that teams would give up real value just to get the cap number those contracts had. You don't see that any more because A)shorter contracts B)more teams have cap cash C)draft picks are more valuable. It's way harder to do that now. You just can't assume "sure, Mozgov can be dumped for something good later on". The market is different.

 

[trojanfan12]

You're looking at this from the Lakers' point of view, not the other team. Phoenix gave up Nash for draft picks because they wanted to go younger and wanted to clear cap space. Houston and Indy both gave up their players to clear cap room. This is what @trojanfan12 is saying - once the Lakers get to the point that they need cap room or don't want Mosgov any more, they just trade him to a team that can absorb his contract (and most likely release them the following season), just like Phoenix, Houston and Indiana did.

This is what I was talking about. You stated it much better than I did.

 

[trojanfight]

Good take. What is he now and what's his potential?

 

[shopson67]

MItch needs to be on the phone with Presti.

Ingram and Russell for Westbrook.

Hell no. Westbrook is not signing an extension for anyone. Just wait until free agency and take your chances. No reason to trade away valuable prospects on a rental.

 

[Retroram52]

Despite Stephenson's pining, the Hornets are going to find out what the Pacers and Lakers know about Hibbert. That is, he is a waste of money and time as he is basically fleecing teams for large sums of money only to be the worst player a team could employ for any reason.

NBA Free Agency: Lance Stephenson pining for Pacers return, Roy Hibbert to join Hornets

 

[wildturkey]

Lakers taking on Jose Calderon from Chicago as they are dumping salary to fit in Wade. Facts are still loose but it looks like LA is getting Calderon + 2 second round picks while Chicago is likely getting the draft rights to some foreign player that's been stashed that will likely never play in the NBA anyway.

So there's the extra PG they wanted to get. Now they just need an extra wing. Bummer Brandon Rush went to the T-Wolves. I had him pegged as a solid get. Allen Crabbe is an intriguing candidate but I'm sort of curious why he's still out there. He's a terrific buy low guy so its weird that no one has taken him yet

 

[Retroram52]

So we pick-up Jose Calderon from the Bulls and two future 2nd rounders for a unnamed player who is probably a stashed Euro/Asian dude. Strange pick-up though because we were in the process of signing Huertas. Now they may cut Huertas for Calderon. I am not sure on this one except it means the end of the Swag for sure.

The Bulls are having a fire sale to make room for D. Wade who divorced Pat Riley and the Heat. Dunleavey got moved as well to make room.

Report: In other trade to clear space for Dwyane Wade, Bulls trade Jose Calderon to Lakers

 

[shopson67]

Lakers taking on Jose Calderon from Chicago as they are dumping salary to fit in Wade. Facts are still loose but it looks like LA is getting Calderon + 2 second round picks while Chicago is likely getting the draft rights to some foreign player that's been stashed that will likely never play in the NBA anyway.

So there's the extra PG they wanted to get. Now they just need an extra wing. Bummer Brandon Rush went to the T-Wolves. I had him pegged as a solid get. Allen Crabbe is an intriguing candidate but I'm sort of curious why he's still out there. He's a terrific buy low guy so its weird that no one has taken him yet

Crabbe is an RFA, so there's really no rush to sign him to an offer sheet. Not sure what his max is? There will be competition for him.

 

[lakersrule]

Lakers taking on Jose Calderon from Chicago as they are dumping salary to fit in Wade. Facts are still loose but it looks like LA is getting Calderon + 2 second round picks while Chicago is likely getting the draft rights to some foreign player that's been stashed that will likely never play in the NBA anyway.

So there's the extra PG they wanted to get. Now they just need an extra wing. Bummer Brandon Rush went to the T-Wolves. I had him pegged as a solid get. Allen Crabbe is an intriguing candidate but I'm sort of curious why he's still out there. He's a terrific buy low guy so its weird that no one has taken him yet

Agree about Rush, especially considering he's getting a cheap one year deal with the T-Wolves.

 

[Retroram52]

Here is one assessment of all three FA signings. Two of the three are considered at the twilight of their careers but are bringing veteran influences. The other is prone to injury with suspect knees. We shall see how this all plays out.

Grading the Lakers' free agency moves

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Best move of the off season IMO. He's my new favourite player on the team.

 

[tomodach10]

Here is one assessment of all three FA signings. Two of the three are considered at the twilight of their careers but are bringing veteran influences. The other is prone to injury with suspect knees. We shall see how this all plays out.

Grading the Lakers' free agency moves

Is it possible to back out of the mosgov deal?

 

[lakersrule]

Huertas just posted on IG that he is back for two more seasons. I don't get this signing considering they just traded for Calderon.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Looks like Huertas is back too

 

[DJ]

Huertas just posted on IG that he is back for two more seasons. I don't get this signing considering they just traded for Calderon.

They announced about 1.5 weeks ago they were going to exercise his team option.