Kyrie Irving vs Steph curry, stat vs stat finals

[lebron23james]

What does any of this have to do with whether or not the Cavs will re-sign Delly?

I actually think they won't

If some team offers him like 6-8 mill it's not really worth it, he didn't even play in the finals

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

What does any of this have to do with whether or not the Cavs will re-sign Delly?

Absolutely nothing. Typical Wiggy. He's claimed that Gilbert would never let money be a factor in decision making.
Yet, money is the only factor in this situation if what's reported is accurate.
For the record, I think ANY team that offers him that type of money is insane, and especially a team over the cap, but that isn't the point.



From The Herald Sun (Australia)

The Cavaliers paid him $1.53 million in 2015-16 and will likely not be willing to match the $53 million, four-year deals the Milwaukee Bucks and Detroit Pistons are reportedly ready to offer.

“Yeah, and he deserves that,” James, when the crowd began the Delly chant, said.

“If there was a bear right here and there was Delly right here and I shot the ball and I was wondering who would get to the ball first, Delly would tear that damn bear up.

 

[tlance]

See, I think the Cavs might be more likely to pay because they are over the cap. signing Delly to that kind of deal would be a terrible contract, but the Cavs just might match and I am not sure they would be wrong to do it.

All part of the master plan. James brings a title to Cleveland and attempts to bankrupt Gilbert in the process.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

See, I think the Cavs might be more likely to pay because they are over the cap. signing Delly to that kind of deal would be a terrible contract, but the Cavs just might match and I am not sure they would be wrong to do it.

All part of the master plan. James brings a title to Cleveland and attempts to bankrupt Gilbert in the process.

If his base salary, for example, is 10M, wouldn't that to equate to 30-40M out of pocket based on the amount Cavs are over the cap?
That's insane.
To put into perspective, it's more then any max superstar would cost an owner who is under the cap.

 

[WiggyRuss]

What does any of this have to do with whether or not the Cavs will re-sign Delly?

are you being serious?

did you watch the Finals where the guy didnt play?

or did you see how Mo Williams picked up his option- AND then- the Cavs- spent $2.4M to acquire the 2nd rounder where they drafted a point guard.

This was interesting. Up until even last year- supposedly the going rate for a 2nd round pick was 300-400K. Certainly NEVER EVER over a 1M. The Cavs really really wanted to get into the 2nd round to pick this kid point guard- but everyone was REFUSING to sell a 2nd pick. What happens? Dan Gilbert says- NO PROBLEM- and pays DOUBLE the amount that has been paid in history for a 2nd round pick? why? because he can- hes committed to the team- and that money DOESNT count against the cap so its just a way he can spend more to make the team better.

Yet another example of how Dan Gilbert wields the biggest and best wallet in the NBA.

Now- with Mo, and this guy they just drafted- and with Delly not even playing in the Finals- does it make ANY sense what so ever to pay the guy if it is money they could spend elsewhere? of COURSE NOT. This isnt like the mid-level exception where if you dont use it you lose it like ARison refused to use the last year LeBron was in Miami. T

he Cavs have already positioned themselves to have 3 point guards next year and if they are careful they might be able to carve out 10-15 million to add a legit free agent who wants to win a championship next summer- shit- maybe even Dwayne Wade- or maybe Dirk- or who knows. Any vet really that wanted a chance to win a title but still get a nice chunk of change.

T-Lance does make a good point. If they think that because Delly is restricted they could sign him to a deal on relative decent terms- and hold him as a trade chip i think they will do that. However- if the bidding gets to a place where his trade value would be severely diminished because of the size of his contract- then they will let him go. Thats at least what I predict to happen.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

are you being serious?

did you watch the Finals where the guy didnt play?

or did you see how Mo Williams picked up his option- AND then- the Cavs- spent $2.4M to acquire the 2nd rounder where they drafted a point guard.

This was interesting. Up until even last year- supposedly the going rate for a 2nd round pick was 300-400K. Certainly NEVER EVER over a 1M. The Cavs really really wanted to get into the 2nd round to pick this kid point guard- but everyone was REFUSING to sell a 2nd pick. What happens? Dan Gilbert says- NO PROBLEM- and pays DOUBLE the amount that has been paid in history for a 2nd round pick? why? because he can- hes committed to the team- and that money DOESNT count against the cap so its just a way he can spend more to make the team better.

Yet another example of how Dan Gilbert wields the biggest and best wallet in the NBA.

Now- with Mo, and this guy they just drafted- and with Delly not even playing in the Finals- does it make ANY sense what so ever to pay the guy if it is money they could spend elsewhere? of COURSE NOT. This isnt like the mid-level exception where if you dont use it you lose it like ARison refused to use the last year LeBron was in Miami. T

he Cavs have already positioned themselves to have 3 point guards next year and if they are careful they might be able to carve out 10-15 million to add a legit free agent who wants to win a championship next summer- shit- maybe even Dwayne Wade- or maybe Dirk- or who knows. Any vet really that wanted a chance to win a title but still get a nice chunk of change.

T-Lance does make a good point. If they think that because Delly is restricted they could sign him to a deal on relative decent terms- and hold him as a trade chip i think they will do that. However- if the bidding gets to a place where his trade value would be severely diminished because of the size of his contract- then they will let him go. Thats at least what I predict to happen.

Your discussion for 2 years on Mike Miller made absolutely no sense, yet you repeated it dozens of times.
All this other rhetoric is just that, and has nothing to do with the point being made.
Nobody with a brain, on planet earth would say invest that much in Delly, but the same exact mindset was applied to Miller and you couldnt seem to grasp it.

 

[tlance]

If his base salary, for example, is 10M, wouldn't that to equate to 30-40M out of pocket based on the amount Cavs are over the cap?
That's insane.
To put into perspective, it's more then any max superstar would cost an owner who is under the cap.

Not sure exactly how much it would cost, but I know it is a lot. James wants Gilbert to spend and he appears willing to do it.

Wiggy's trade thoughts make sense also. Perhaps by signing Delly, it would allow them to trade him for a player they need more with a matching contract. This way, they could get someone a little better than what might be available in an MLE or a vet min deal.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Not sure exactly how much it would cost, but I know it is a lot. James wants Gilbert to spend and he appears willing to do it.

Wiggy's trade thoughts make sense also. Perhaps by signing Delly, it would allow them to trade him for a player they need more with a matching contract. This way, they could get someone a little better than what might be available in an MLE or a vet min deal.

That does make sense dollar for dollar, but again, it isn't really that.
They'd get a 8-10M player in exchange ( if someone really believes Delly is worth that), but would be paying 25-40M/year including penalty for those services which isn't going to happen IMO.

 

[tlance]

That does make sense dollar for dollar, but again, it isn't really that.
They'd get a 8-10M player in exchange ( if someone really believes Delly is worth that), but would be paying 25-40M/year including penalty for those services which isn't going to happen IMO.

You are forgetting one thing though. LeBron can't stand Gilbert. If he tells Gilbert to pay for Delly, Gilbert might not have a choice. LeBron doesn't care how much it costs. The more the better.

 

[trojanfan12]

are you being serious?

did you watch the Finals where the guy didnt play?

or did you see how Mo Williams picked up his option- AND then- the Cavs- spent $2.4M to acquire the 2nd rounder where they drafted a point guard.

This was interesting. Up until even last year- supposedly the going rate for a 2nd round pick was 300-400K. Certainly NEVER EVER over a 1M. The Cavs really really wanted to get into the 2nd round to pick this kid point guard- but everyone was REFUSING to sell a 2nd pick. What happens? Dan Gilbert says- NO PROBLEM- and pays DOUBLE the amount that has been paid in history for a 2nd round pick? why? because he can- hes committed to the team- and that money DOESNT count against the cap so its just a way he can spend more to make the team better.

Yet another example of how Dan Gilbert wields the biggest and best wallet in the NBA.

Now- with Mo, and this guy they just drafted- and with Delly not even playing in the Finals- does it make ANY sense what so ever to pay the guy if it is money they could spend elsewhere? of COURSE NOT. This isnt like the mid-level exception where if you dont use it you lose it like ARison refused to use the last year LeBron was in Miami. T

he Cavs have already positioned themselves to have 3 point guards next year and if they are careful they might be able to carve out 10-15 million to add a legit free agent who wants to win a championship next summer- shit- maybe even Dwayne Wade- or maybe Dirk- or who knows. Any vet really that wanted a chance to win a title but still get a nice chunk of change.

T-Lance does make a good point. If they think that because Delly is restricted they could sign him to a deal on relative decent terms- and hold him as a trade chip i think they will do that. However- if the bidding gets to a place where his trade value would be severely diminished because of the size of his contract- then they will let him go. Thats at least what I predict to happen.

You were asked a direct question about Delly. In your response, you never even mentioned his name. So again, what did that have to do with Delly?

 

[WiggyRuss]

You were asked a direct question about Delly. In your response, you never even mentioned his name. So again, what did that have to do with Delly?

uhh- can you read?

the guy didnt play in the Finals- and the Cavs already have 3 point guards on the roster.

 

[WiggyRuss]

You are forgetting one thing though. LeBron can't stand Gilbert. If he tells Gilbert to pay for Delly, Gilbert might not have a choice. LeBron doesn't care how much it costs. The more the better.

Gilbert did spend 170 million or so dollars on the team last year. I am sure he would be the first to tell you that it was worth every single penny.

Gilbert has used this good-will he has cultivated in so many ways. Quicken Loans---

I mean shit- this guy got the IMPOSSIBLE done and i even question the intelligence in it. Dan Gilbert got a CONSTITUTIONAL amendment to the Ohio Constitution only allowing 4 casinos in the state of Ohio and Gilbert has control of 2 of them. That good-will that he rode to the passing of an amendment that had failed multiple times before has added hundreds of millions to his worth.

Gilbert is going to continue to crush the rest of the league with his wallet. Because he can- and this is his hobby- and he has more money than he knows what to do with. That parade was worth way more to him than an extra 100 million dollars. Its amazing the luck Cleveland got getting an owner like this.

 

[trojanfan12]

uhh- can you read?

the guy didnt play in the Finals- and the Cavs already have 3 point guards on the roster.

The question was about Delly. You never mentioned him in your response. So again, what did it have to do with Delly?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

uhh- can you read?

the guy didnt play in the Finals- and the Cavs already have 3 point guards on the roster.

You're a clown.
Heat was loaded with better players then Miller, but you're still carrying on about it.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

You are forgetting one thing though. LeBron can't stand Gilbert. If he tells Gilbert to pay for Delly, Gilbert might not have a choice. LeBron doesn't care how much it costs. The more the better.

Let's hope so, but we already know he's going to make sure JR is overpaid cause he signed with Klutch.
Let's get it to 250-300M this season...

 

[Xulu Bak]

I think Gilbert does what Lebron wants. Does LeBron want Delly in Cleveland? I believe he does.

 

[WiggyRuss]

supposedly just announced yesterday that Kyrie is going to play on the Olympic team. I was hoping he would rest- seeing as how the season wont likely be any shorter than next year- but as i understand it he is the starting point guard if he goes- and after being the MVP of the FIBA qualifying tournament last summer (not the team MVP- the entire tournament MVP)- and the fact that he does not yet have a Gold medal- lead him to playing for team USA. I cant blame him for wanting a Gold Medal and having an opportunity to be one of the big guns on team USA.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

supposedly just announced yesterday that Kyrie is going to play on the Olympic team. I was hoping he would rest- seeing as how the season wont likely be any shorter than next year- but as i understand it he is the starting point guard if he goes- and after being the MVP of the FIBA qualifying tournament last summer (not the team MVP- the entire tournament MVP)- and the fact that he does not yet have a Gold medal- lead him to playing for team USA. I cant blame him for wanting a Gold Medal and having an opportunity to be one of the big guns on team USA.

1. Anyone who is a fan of Team USA is glad Kyrie is playing. It's also a good PR/monetary move for him
That being said, if I'm a Cavs fan or in the Cavs FO, I don't want him playing.


2. Instead of the cheerleading and rhetoric, just concede that if Delly isn't back, then it's a monetary decision.
Would he for sure be back if he'd sign for a minimum?

 

[lebron23james]

Not true.

Irving is a more complete scorer, but Curry is a much more complete player and a better one. To say Curry's game is only 3s tells me that you have not watched him play. He is much more. Cleveland made him one dimensional in the Finals, but that isn't what he is.

Oh please, Curry would amount to 38-39 wins on a team like Phily or Cleveland pre-LBJ. And he is a product of having a beast shooter in Thompson and Green flying around. GS is the very definition of "team" oriented and they play like it. Take out an ingredient and you have what happened to them in game 5 with Green out.

Curry is no savior, he shoots well and that's it.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Agree, but nobody on that superior team was playing up to their expected standards.
Not at all a knock on the Cavs, but that is why I said fortunate.

Bc Cleveland was physical and defending well. Kyrie and Lebron wore done baby Curry. He was overmatched. Maybe Curry just cant perform in the Finals, well IMO he isnt superior player, he is just a great player in the regular season and when it doesnt count most. He will never be an all-time great if he cant peform in the Finals, just a great shooter.