Anyone think that Chip Kelly ...

[TDs3nOut]

"Chip Kelly has no clue about coaching an NFL team."

~ Jerry Jones

 

[Manster7588]

What you heard was one of the best season performances by Foles. But he didn't develop and Chip didn't think he would/ wanted Bradford more.

If Bradford goes down at least it will be year two for Sanchez here, but it will still be Sanchez. We know that. Foles was always getting injured anyway which is a fact ignored by many. Why should Chip care about Bradford's injury risks when the guy he had was always getting injured anyway? Bradford is more talented.

But Foles had the team at 6-2, why trade that for a injury prone QB who really isn't a ruining threat. Last I checked Kelly's offense a QB who can move.

I don't know how the moves Kelly made, but I they had me scratching my head daily.

Even the RB signings are questionable to me. Signing Murray was a good move, injury history or not he was the best back last year. Signing Matthews also would have been a good move if Murray wasn't signed. Maybe he signed both hoping to get 16 games combined.

 

[eaglesnut]

But Foles had the team at 6-2, why trade that for a injury prone QB who really isn't a ruining threat. Last I checked Kelly's offense a QB who can move

It's not really. Common misconception. All Kelly really wants to do is hand the ball off and run up the middle, but he likes to spread out the D to do so.

Foles had been injured multiple times anyway and Chip wants a QB that will pull the trigger quicker.

I don't know how the moves Kelly made, but I they had me scratching my head daily.

In the end they all added up to more talent on the defensive side of the ball.

Even the RB signings are questionable to me. Signing Murray was a good move, injury history or not he was the best back last year. Signing Matthews also would have been a good move if Murray wasn't signed. Maybe he signed both hoping to get 16 games combined.

They had agreed with Mathews first. Then Murray was available and they hopped on that too. Both guys injury histories are shaky. Nothing wrong with having real depth. Like I said above, all Chip really wants to do is run the football.

 

[Iggloo]

So why are so many Eagle fans now all giddy about the Foles/Bradford trade.

In 2013 I started hearing Foles is the GOAT by some Eagle fans, when the trade initially went down many Eagle fans were outraged. I have PE1 screaming that I'm wishing for Eagle injuries just because I keep pointing out all the injury risks Chip has brought in. What has changed over the last month and a half?

What happens IF Bradford is injured and Sanchez is the QB?

I was one of those against the trade, so I may not be the best one to ask.

But...I think now that people have seen Bradford in action, and heard about his performances in practices, some think he looks like a better passer than Foles and a better fit for Chip's fast-break scheme.

Neither of them is a scrambler. But Bradford is a more accurate passer and gets the ball out more quickly. Personally, I think the jury remains out. I would not have traded Foles.

Even if Bradford is not great, chances are he will be an improvement over Mark Sanchez. But I see the risk of reinjury by Bradford as substantial. I also think he sounds like he has lost a lot of his confidence since being the first overall pick.

We will see if Chip's reclamation project succeeds or fails. At the end of the day, I can see why he chose to take a shot on Bradford though.

 

[Manster7588]

I was one of those against the trade, so I may not be the best one to ask.

But...I think now that people have seen Bradford in action, and heard about his performances in practices, some think he looks like a better passer than Foles and a better fit for Chip's fast-break scheme.

Neither of them is a scrambler. But Bradford is a more accurate passer and gets the ball out more quickly. Personally, I think the jury remains out. I would not have traded Foles.

Even if Bradford is not great, chances are he will be an improvement over Mark Sanchez. But I see the risk of reinjury by Bradford as substantial. I also think he sounds like he has lost a lot of his confidence since being the first overall pick.

We will see if Chip's reclamation project succeeds or fails. At the end of the day, I can see why he chose to take a shot on Bradford though.

I will say this, Chip knows more about football than I do. I don't know if his plan will work or not, but if it does the Eagles probably win the East. I still think Dallas has the inside track but I'm not counting out Philly or NY.

 

[GNG]

"Chip Kelly has no clue about coaching an NFL team."

~ Jerry Jones

I agree.

 

[DutchBird]

But Foles had the team at 6-2, why trade that for a injury prone QB who really isn't a ruining threat. Last I checked Kelly's offense a QB who can move.

The team - at that point - was 6-2 despite Foles mostly. His play was absolutely horrendous for most of the games. The one game where he played good last season was the game against Washington, and that had as much to do with his tenacity behind the mess that was the O-line at the time as anything.

What is worse, Foles continuously stated that he would improve, would not make the same mistake twice and so on, but throughout the season he persevered in making the same mistakes over and over and over again. Not setting his feet, creating his own pressure, holding on to the ball for way too long, complete misreads - most of his interceptions were thrown straight to defenders, and had nothing to do with great plays by defenders), the countless fumbles (due to holding the ball for too long), inaccuracy (Sanchez game 1 this preseason style) towards wide open receivers, missing/not throwing to wide open receivers (Tebow in last preseason game style), not stepping up in the pocket and so on.

The complete outlier was the 2013 season, that was clear.

Now Foles vs Bradford: Both injury-prone, neither a running threat, Bradford a much better arm, much more accurate and much more decisive. Guess who to go for? And Kelly himself has numerous times stated that as long as the QB can run on occasion he is fine with it, and that a quick trigger QB would work just as well in his offense.

I don't know how the moves Kelly made, but I they had me scratching my head daily.

Yup, I can understand that.

Even the RB signings are questionable to me. Signing Murray was a good move, injury history or not he was the best back last year. Signing Matthews also would have been a good move if Murray wasn't signed. Maybe he signed both hoping to get 16 games combined.

As Kelly stated (IIRC yesterday), his primary goal this offseason was to create depth, and fix the defense. Apparently last year he had insufficient depth to run his offense which, just as the defense, needs to rotate players in order to remain effective. Direct result was that he could not always run the plays he wanted, as the wrong players were on the field. Basically he now has two '1st squads' at most positions, resulting in him being able to rotate players without losing any options on offense due to inserting lesser players.


The balance so far, this season:

QB: Upgrade

RB: Overall upgrade, and both Mattews and Murray are a better fit for the offense than McCoy.

WR/TE: The loss of Maclin - little Kelly could do about that - meant the best WR on the team was gone. However, with the addition of Agholor one can argue that this years' group is of equal talent as last year's (if not better), and definitely with a higher upside (Mathews, Agholor, Huff).

O-line: Most important positions still the same, LG probably strictly speaking a loss (RG definite, pass-pro to be seen). Biggest problem is that the depth seems to have disappeared now.

D-line: Same, if not better than before.

ILB: Better, no doubt about this.

OLB: Probably a bit weaker, also due to injury loss. Biggest problem is apparent lack of depth.

DB: Much much better, even with the loss of Boykin.

ST: Seems to be as good as ever.

 

[GNG]

I will say this, Chip knows more about football than I do.

Most folks do...

 

[GNG]

Kelly whines about his QB getting hit in the read option but the NFL says it's a legal hit.

 

[Manster7588]

Most folks do...

But not you.

 

[GNG]

But not you.

 

[Broncos6482]

Not looking good for Chip and the Eagles. Anyone want to bet that the first call Texas makes after firing Charlie Strong is to Kelly?

 

[GeekSportsFan]

Kelly whines about his QB getting hit in the read option but the NFL says it's a legal hit.

How many RG3s, Michael Vicks, Randall Cunninghams, etc. is it going to take for some coaches to understand that running QBs in the NFL don't fare too well and have a rather short shelf life? The LBs and DEs in the NFL are too friggin' fast for the read option QBs coming out of college to have any real success. Yes, they may have a few brilliant runs and one or two years of scorching numbers, but NFL defenses can adjust too quickly.

 

[Broncos6482]

 

[ATL96Steeler]

How many RG3s, Michael Vicks, Randall Cunninghams, etc. is it going to take for some coaches to understand that running QBs in the NFL don't fare too well and have a rather short shelf life? The LBs and DEs in the NFL are too friggin' fast for the read option QBs coming out of college to have any real success. Yes, they may have a few brilliant runs and one or two years of scorching numbers, but NFL defenses can adjust too quickly.

Yep, but Randall Cunningham as mostly an athletic guy that could run and throw...became a much better passer @ MIN.

The drop back pro style talent has hit a wall in college...read/spread option OFC is the flavor of the month. (remember, Alex Smith and Dalton both came out a similar OFCs).

The hope is to develop these guys into something along the lines of Cam in CAR and RW in SEA...I think it's proven you can win with the right guy, but at some point we're going to see a swing the other way...drop back passer will be more in vogue.

 

[Manster7588]

might know a little bit about what he's doing? Lots of people are convinced that his personnel moves were tearing the Eagles apart. Still very early and it's obviously only preseason, but the Eagles look pretty good to me.

So what's your take on Kelly today?

 

[Broncos6482]

Now that the Eagles have officially been eliminated from the playoffs, is it fair to say that Chip Kelly doesn't know what he's doing?

In 3 seasons, he's got a record of 26-21, one playoff appearance, and no playoff wins. Pretty mediocre for a guy who was supposedly going to revolutionize the NFL.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Now that the Eagles have officially been eliminated from the playoffs, is it fair to say that Chip Kelly doesn't know what he's doing?

In 3 seasons, he's got a record of 26-21, one playoff appearance, and no playoff wins. Pretty mediocre for a guy who was supposedly going to revolutionize the NFL.

His style of play will never work in the NFL.

 

[Kevin12773]

I will say this, Chip knows more about football than I do. I don't know if his plan will work or not, but if it does the Eagles probably win the East. I still think Dallas has the inside track but I'm not counting out Philly or NY.

Shouldnt have discounted Washington Manster . Couldn't resist bumping this

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

Chip Kelly will be fine if he can find the right QB.
That is the same problem for every NFL team.....without a QB, most teams suck.

It really has nothing to do with his system being diffrent.
He doesnt run anything gimmicky in the slightest.
He runs very basic plays at a high speed.

That is no diffrent than what New England does.....the Pats might even play faster.
the diffrence is that NE has Brady while Philly has had Vick, Foles, and Bradford.

Bradford was okay. The team was not horrible with him. It was just so-so.
Kelly needs to find the guy.

I did not mind in the slightest gambling on Bradford for a low risk 1 year salary cap friendly long shot.
My only issue is that he stuck with Sanchez. I wish they had went with a rookie backup to develop.