David Ortiz is sick of the asterisk

[cezero]

I mean, a guy like Brendan Ryan isn't of equal value to a guy like Ortiz simply because both each is terrific at only one part of the game while sucking at the other.

I miss Brendan Ryan. Since he left, we've had neither good offense or defense out of our SS.

Hope his back stays healthy and he can play some games for you guys.

 

[Liberal Icon]

as stated

bonds has BALCO and a federal case over his head

so does Arod

ortiz...well, he has a failed test that wasnt supposed to go public, for something we have no idea what it is. it could have been a GNC item for all we know.

again, i still think he did take something...but what and how benign or not was it?

no one knows

I actually do not give a damn if Ortiz took steroids or not. It is his hypocrisy that riles me. This is the same person before he was fingered as testing positive for steroids claimed that anybody who is found to have taken steroids should be banned for life. And then when he was accused of failing a test strenuously denied it claiming he was going to investigate on that. How did that turned out? He knew that for this failed test that roped in his friend Manny Ramirez no one can challenge him if he disputed because it was supposed to be anonymous. It is all the nonsense surrounding those who live in glass houses that actually irks me.

 

[phredmojo]

I actually do not give a damn if Ortiz took steroids or not. It is his hypocrisy that riles me. This is the same person before he was fingered as testing positive for steroids claimed that anybody who is found to have taken steroids should be banned for life. And then when he was accused of failing a test strenuously denied it claiming he was going to investigate on that. How did that turned out? He knew that for this failed test that roped in his friend Manny Ramirez no one can challenge him if he disputed because it was supposed to be anonymous. It is all the nonsense surrounding those who live in glass houses that actually irks me.

Oh man thats classic... especially coming from you!!! The epitome of hypocrisy! You sir have no room to talk.

 

[Liberal Icon]

Oh man thats classic... especially coming from you!!! The epitome of hypocrisy! You sir have no room to talk.

I know English is not your first language but my gawd, can you simply take your fucking time and read to tell me if my post has anything to do with the meaning of hypocrisy?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I know English is not your first language but my gawd, can you simply take your fucking time and read to tell me if my post has anything to do with the meaning of hypocrisy?

As it relates to PED usage, what is the difference in your mind between Barry Bonds and David Ortiz?

 

[Rock Strongo]

DAVID ORTIZ WANTS TO CLARIFY ONE PART OF PLAYERS’ TRIBUNE ARTICLE
03.31.15 at 12:15 am ET
By Rob Bradford

David Ortiz

FORT MYERS, Fla. — David Ortiz has made it perfectly clear why he chose to publish 2,300-plus-word, March 26 article on the Players’ Tribune web sitedefending himself against allegations of using performance enhancing drugs.

He wanted to attempt to have what he hoped would be the last say on the matter.

“People are always focused on things that really don’t matter. I just want to make myself clear that I don’t want to keep talking about this,” Ortiz told WEEI.com Monday afternoon. “People are always bringing the subject to me, over and over. People look at me, like why does he keep bringing this subject back? It’s not me, bro. I get that question asked. Every year, people come and ask me the same question. I’m just tired of it, bro. That article that came out, hopefully it’s the last time I talk about it.”

But while Ortiz was satisfied with the overall presentation of the article, he did regret how one part was represented.

The three sentences Ortiz felt an obligation to clarify while sitting in front of his locker prior to Monday’s game at JetBlue Park were: “I grew up in a house where my father used to hit my mother. There was a fight in my house pretty much every other day. It was normal.”

Ortiz explained the message he intended to relay regarding his upbringing.

“The one part where it said that my dad [Enrique] used to beat up my mom [Angela Rosa] and stuff, that was wrong. What I was meaning to say was that in my house, it was an argument all the time, fights and stuff.

“There were things that you don’t want to see as a child. But it wasn’t that my dad was an abuser, because my mom was a tough lady. I’m not going to give too much of the details into that, because that’s my personal life. My dad has always been a great dad. I don’t want people to look at him like he was the wrong person.

“My whole thing was based on the argument they used to have. At some point my mom and dad ended up divorcing and that was the end, everyone went on their own. Then, once they were away from each other, the true respect that you expect from a husband and wife started showing up even more. Their relationship got better, even if they weren’t together. But that’s the way I was raised, though. To make myself clear, I was basically just saying I grew up in a tough situation.

“I don’t want people to think that my dad was an abuser, because my dad is the reason I am who I am, besides God. He’s a good man who taught me how to the right thing. It was just the kind of relationship that, they didn’t agree with a lot of things. That brings a fight. A fight’s not just when a man hits a woman. Arguments can be called fights.”

 

[Rock Strongo]

As it relates to PED usage, what is the difference in your mind between Barry Bonds and David Ortiz?

one basic difference...

bonds has his name all over paperwork tied to BALCO and a federal drug investigation.

ortiz's name was on a leaked list (not meant to go public) the league was using as a litmus test to gauge how bad the problem was.

we know what BALCO was up to, so the implications are there in black and white...do we know what ortiz took?

note: neither has ever failed a MLBPA sanctioned test.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I just want to make myself clear that I don’t want to keep talking about this.

I just want to make myself clear that I don’t want to keep talking about this, so I thought the best course of action would be to publish a 2,300-word tome on the subject matter.

Sincerely,

David Ortiz
Fucking Genius

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

one basic difference...

bonds has his name all over paperwork tied to BALCO and a federal drug investigation.

ortiz's name was on a leaked list (not meant to go public) the league was using as a litmus test to gauge how bad the problem was.

we know what BALCO was up to, so the implications are there in black and white...do we know what ortiz took?

note: neither has ever failed a MLBPA sanctioned test.

I'm looking for Liberal Icon's thoughts on what differentiates the two.

 

[PolarVortex]

And for the record, I'm in the boat that says the best way to pit the steroid era behind you is induct the players with worthy stats into the HOF, put the roiders in their own section, I don't care, but just put them in the Hall and move forward.

But Ortiz was a DH and shouldn't be in the HOF. Fielding is half the game.

Mariano Rivera is considered a first ballot HOFer despite pitching in less than 5% of the innings his team played throughout his career. At least three closers are already in the HOF. If a closer can be in the HOF then a DH should too.

What a DH can't do is get into the HOF with borderline career offensive numbers like Jim Rice or Andre Dawson or Carlton Fisk. His offense has to be pretty damn good. Edgar and Ortiz both qualify.

 

[PolarVortex]

As for the roids allegations, I think neither Ortiz nor Edgar Martinez could have put up the offensive numbers they have put up in their mid-to-late 30s without some type of PED. But I don't care. I personally believe that most players are using a banned substance and players have been since 1876. If I was a pro athlete and knew I could get away with using a banned substance, and the use of the banned substancce would increase my earnings potential and statistics - yeah, i'd definitely use.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Mariano Rivera is considered a first ballot HOFer despite pitching in less than 5% of the innings his team played throughout his career. At least three closers are already in the HOF. If a closer can be in the HOF then a DH should too.

What a DH can't do is get into the HOF with borderline career offensive numbers like Jim Rice or Andre Dawson or Carlton Fisk. His offense has to be pretty damn good. Edgar and Ortiz both qualify.

As for the roids allegations, I think neither Ortiz nor Edgar Martinez could have put up the offensive numbers they have put up in their mid-to-late 30s without some type of PED. But I don't care. I personally believe that most players are using a banned substance and players have been since 1876. If I was a pro athlete and knew I could get away with using a banned substance, and the use of the banned substancce would increase my earnings potential and statistics - yeah, i'd definitely use.

I agree with both of these.

That said, I do wish MLB would get serious about getting rid of PEDs in the same way they took a hard line with gambling. You get caught, you're out for good.

 

[calsnowskier]

I agree with both of these.

That said, I do wish MLB would get serious about getting rid of PEDs in the same way they took a hard line with gambling. You get caught, you're out for good.

The prob is that there is absolutely ZERO incentive for the owners to do this.

They want the players to use because "Chicks dig the long-ball", but they also want the ability to punish (save money - see Rodriguez, Alex) without really taking the incentive away from the players.

If the Yanks still had to pay the money owed to Rodriguez (to a player fund, or something like that), there would not be as much double-speak from the owners, and they would MAY work more diligent in keeping their players clean. As it is, the owners and players both benefit, but only the players are susceptible to the punishments.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

The prob is that there is absolutely ZERO incentive for the owners to do this.

They want the players to use because "Chicks dig the long-ball", but they also want the ability to punish (save money - see Rodriguez, Alex) without really taking the incentive away from the players.

If the Yanks still had to pay the money owed to Rodriguez (to a player fund, or something like that), there would not be as much double-speak from the owners, and they would MAY work more diligent in keeping their players clean. As it is, the owners and players both benefit, but only the players are susceptible to the punishments.

Of course.

The only reason they took a hard line on gambling is because it almost killed the sport. Baseball is about as popular as it's ever been, so clearly steroids aren't hurting it.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Of course.

The only reason they took a hard line on gambling is because it almost killed the sport. Baseball is about as popular as it's ever been, so clearly steroids aren't hurting it.

No, the only reason was because it was ONE guy... It is much easier to punish One guy than to punish who knows how many...

 

[Rock Strongo]

As for the roids allegations, I think neither Ortiz nor Edgar Martinez could have put up the offensive numbers they have put up in their mid-to-late 30s without some type of PED. But I don't care. I personally believe that most players are using a banned substance and players have been since 1876. If I was a pro athlete and knew I could get away with using a banned substance, and the use of the banned substancce would increase my earnings potential and statistics - yeah, i'd definitely use.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

No, the only reason was because it was ONE guy... It is much easier to punish One guy than to punish who knows how many...

One guy fixed the world series, causing the entire sport to be shaken to its foundations? One guy pushed MLB to enact a "golden rule" whereby if you gamble on baseball, you're out for good? Only one guy has has been punished for gambling on baseball?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

One guy fixed the world series, causing the entire sport to be shaken to its foundations? One guy pushed MLB to enact a "golden rule" whereby if you gamble on baseball, you're out for good? Only one guy has has been punished for gambling on baseball?

Which guy was it that did all that, dude guy?

 

[broncosmitty]

Which guy was it that did all that, dude guy?

If I remember right, Doc Brown took the Deloreon back to 1919, cut his hair and fixed The Series. Could be wrong though.

 

[PolarVortex]

Awesome picture. Coleman is the man.