March 12th is approaching… Will Jay and Brandon be here?

[averagejoe]

Well, if this 10-former-coaches report is true, I may want to change my answer about Jay. Doesn't seem good to go to that excess.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

I simply can't believe this... It's criminally comical.
All these past coaches were run out of Chicago based on MANY things. And I'm just certain that when they were launched... NOT a single Bears fans clamored for their return. When every OC that has gone it was celebrated and cheered when we learned of their firing. *not to mention many, many posts of their stupidity throughout the seasons.
And yet now... Some fan's (and media) are using those same OC's alleged bad-mouthing of Jay is some kind of proof that he's the problem? That's just sad and ridiculous.

just curious, but what makes it "criminal?"

Yeah, I suppose all of these coaches must be wrong, and Cutler is beyond reproach. That makes a lot of sense.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

I simply can't believe this... It's criminally comical.
All these past coaches were run out of Chicago based on MANY things. And I'm just certain that when they were launched... NOT a single Bears fans clamored for their return. When every OC that has gone it was celebrated and cheered when we learned of their firing. *not to mention many, many posts of their stupidity throughout the seasons.
And yet now... Some fan's (and media) are using those same OC's alleged bad-mouthing of Jay is some kind of proof that he's the problem? That's just sad and ridiculous.

oh, and one other thing. The "proof" isn't any bad mouthing by anyone, fan, media or coach.

The proof is on the game tape. I'd advise you to buy the All-22 Joey. And watch it. That's the proof.

 

[richig07]

Lighten up man, I can only make a guess same as you or any fan. I have seen no support for our much beleaguered QB from this staff, have you? The first thing you would expect is a vote of confidence for your QB from a new staff. Jay may be here because of no other options but that would be the only reason. BM is a stud and going nowhere unless we get a good trade offer.

Didn't mean to come off with a crass tone. I just think it's absolutely silly to assume one way or another. They've said they are evaluating the situation with Jay. I never said they support him, but to say they are against him is silly. IMO. That's all.

BM is a physical marvel, but according to many Bears insiders. Brad Biggs, etc… the majority of Bears vets would quote; "pay for his plane ticket out of town". I'm on board with whatever happens with Brandon. It's pretty clear the organization has looked into moving him.

 

[richig07]

just curious, but what makes it "criminal?"

Yeah, I suppose all of these coaches must be wrong, and Cutler is beyond reproach. That makes a lot of sense.

Who said all of those coaches have bad things to say about Cutler?

If I had to bet money, I'd say Tice and Kromer would be the two to bad mouth Jay. While Turner and Martz would have good things to say, more so Martz. At the end of 2010, into mid-2011… Martz's offense peaked, and it coincided with Cutler's best play as a Bear. Cutler was 18-8 (19-9 including playoffs) under Martz. They were likely headed to back-to-back playoff berths if Jay stays healthy.

Tice was awful, and we all know Kromer ended up a train wreck. Those two guys wouldn't have lasted as OC's with most any team. Turner was far from great too. Martz is actually the only one who saw success in this league calling plays. But I love how they're all of the sudden extremely credible, and Jay is some schmuck with his dick in his hand.

God… I can't believe I am back to defending Cutler in ANY capacity.

 

[JoeyTourettes]

Cali- Do you want any of those coaches back?

Is it possible that the Chicago Bears as a team was bad- under their watch...because well they sucked and got fired? hmmm.
I've seen all the games. Have you? Or do you just look for any excuse to blame Jay?
I still remember that 49ers game when you wanted to blame Jay for drops- citing that the pass was too low...when it hit Marshall in the hands just above the knees. (it's always Jay's fault. period)
Don't worry... I know all those rushing yards they gave up in 2013 and those 50 point games were all Jay's fault.

 

[richig07]

Cali- Do you want any of those coaches back?

Is it possible that the Chicago Bears as a team was bad- under their watch...because well they sucked and got fired? hmmm.
I've seen all the games. Have you? Or do you just look for any excuse to blame Jay?
I still remember that 49ers game when you wanted to blame Jay for drops- citing that the pass was too low...when it hit Marshall in the hands just above the knees. (it's always Jay's fault. period)
Don't worry... I know all those rushing yards they gave up in 2013 and those 50 point games were all Jay's fault.

Joey, Cali is FAAAR from a guy who is constantly looking play the blame game with Jay. You're relatively new to this board. But Cali was apart of the struggle to defend Jay here for years and years. Like me, I just think last year left him out of reasons to keep doing so.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

Joey, Cali is FAAAR from a guy who is constantly looking play the blame game with Jay. You're relatively new to this board. But Cali was apart of the struggle to defend Jay here for years and years. Like me, I just think last year left him out of reasons to keep doing so.

Add me to this list too.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

[QUOTE="richig07, post: 6302453, I just think it's absolutely silly to assume one way or another. They've said they are evaluating the situation with Jay. I never said they support him, but to say they are against him is silly. IMO. That's all.
The fact they have not backed Jay says something.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

OK, let me address Joey's fair question "Do you want any of those coaches back?" Well, taken literally, no. I mean, just snapping our fingers and bringing any of these guys back seems to make no sense. Coaches can only work in certain situations, even if they are good coaches. I think the NFL is pretty filled with examples of that. But I can say two things. One, most of these coaches were actually good coaches. They may have been wrong fits, or couldn't get the cards they were dealt to play right, but all of these guys have had a lot of success throughout their careers. Mike Martz...who probably was never the right fit here....I consider a near genius of the NFL, certainly smarter than all of us on the board put together and then multiplied by ten. When one or two or three coaches can't make something fly, well, OK, but when you have a never-ending roll call of professional coaches having problems? At that point do you start to draw another conclusion? This after-the-fact "they all suck as coaches so what do they know" strikes me as nonsense.

Two, my personal opinion was that some of these guys needed to be fired at the time, and some did not. The most prominent example was that I did not think we should have fired Lovie. This season, you may remember, I was primarily for firing Emery. I mean, sure, clearly Trestman had lost the team, but it was never that clear to me what exactly his role in the fiasco was exactly. I wasn't sad when he left, but let's put it this way....I don't exactly blame the coaching primarily. The blame is shared in many quarters. I also don't think I ever even mentioned Kromer...to this day I still really have no opinion on his firing. Maybe yes he had to go. Maybe he tried to get himself fired on purpose. If that's the case, people should be asking themselves why he would do that, and if the thought of Cutler doesn't at least enter the realm of possibilities, you are lying to yourself.

Hey, I think in spite of all this the Bears are probably keeping him. And I hope this particular set of coaches has the magic elixir to get Cutler to stop being the guy he has been. Jay Cutler is an extremely talented QB, that has never changed. I think he has the strongest arm in the entire league. I have simply given up on him making better decisions. Presuming they keep him, I hope the new group proves me wrong on that. The Bears are, after all, my team, and their largest investment is the most important issue facing the team. I'm not counting on it, but it would be nice.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Who said all of those coaches have bad things to say about Cutler?

Well, when the story states that:

""At least ten" former members of the Lovie Smith and Marc Trestman coaching staffs told ESPN Chicago the Bears "can't consistently compete for championships" with Jay Cutler as the quarterback."

If the report is true, then it is a lot more than it just being Tice and Kromer. "At least ten" is a lot of coaches.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Cali- Do you want any of those coaches back?

Is it possible that the Chicago Bears as a team was bad- under their watch...because well they sucked and got fired? hmmm.
I've seen all the games. Have you? Or do you just look for any excuse to blame Jay?
I still remember that 49ers game when you wanted to blame Jay for drops- citing that the pass was too low...when it hit Marshall in the hands just above the knees. (it's always Jay's fault. period)
Don't worry... I know all those rushing yards they gave up in 2013 and those 50 point games were all Jay's fault.

I didn't - and don't - think Jay is to blame for drops. You may be confusing me for someone else. The criticism I made of Cutler concerned not choosing to pass to the open receivers. I was out of the country in September, and when I sat down and starting watching the games in pretty much back-to-back fashion, I was struck by how many times this was occurring. And it wasn't just on incompletion plays. One of the reasons I think a lot of fans didn't notice is that a lot of the checkdown passing Cutler was doing to Forte was happening on plays with wide open receivers Cutler simply did not see, and most fans see a completed (albeit short yardage) pass, and think "OK, that was good." When in fact it isn't. The "don't pass it to that guy" problem is most obvious to see on interceptions, of course, but in a way I almost think you can learn more about a quarterback by watching the less obvious plays. This is precisely what you can only really do by watching the full field of play.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

last thing I will say on this, because I realized I actually do think Cutler did have *some* contribution to more drops this season. His accuracy was also a little weirdly off at points. Now, this happens to all QBs to some extent, no doubt. It just seemed a little more common to me this season. His footwork actually seemed a little better to me, so I don't know why his accuracy suffered, but for my money it did. I don't think this was the largest problem...his biggest problem was his decision making, but I shouldn't say accuracy was a non-issue, because it was.

 

[JoeyTourettes]

Joey, Cali is FAAAR from a guy who is constantly looking play the blame game with Jay. You're relatively new to this board. But Cali was apart of the struggle to defend Jay here for years and years. Like me, I just think last year left him out of reasons to keep doing so.

Fair enough... I can only go by my own experiences, which in my case has seemed that just about everything I've written Cali's disagreed with. And that's fine. But when it's as consistent as it's been I get the vibe of someone searching for blame. That's all.

And I'll say this again too. I defend. That's all I'm really doing. When you see the same opinion over and over and over..."Jay Sucks" or "it's Jay's fault" it get's old and frustrating.
I know Jay Cutler isn't the best QB in the league. He's maddening to watch at times. I completely see that. I'm not blind to his issues and problems. What I've always defended and pointed out... is the other factors: defense, running game, pass blocking, drops, poor routes, injuries...etc.
I don't like and don't think it's fair to simply say- (and I'm not quoting anyone- just think it's a general feeling among many Bears fans and national opinion) to Simply say: Well if they get rid of Cutler they will begin to improve. That's what I'm defending against. That's what I've always tried to point out.

 

[averagejoe]

The fact they have not backed Jay says something.

Maybe it says that they're hypocrites? After all, they had the opportunities to ax Jay but instead, both the Lovie/Angelo and Trestman/Emery regimes gave Jay extensions and fat contracts.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

Maybe it says that they're hypocrites? After all, they had the opportunities to ax Jay but instead, both the Lovie/Angelo and Trestman/Emery regimes gave Jay extensions and fat contracts.

Them guys all built Jay up as great then got fired, I'm talking about this current staff. Have you seen any backing of Cutler from this staff? I have not and for me that says something.

 

[wood20ks]

I`m till on the firmly believe at Jay will be our starter next season..........But,has anyone thought about a 2nd round pick for a qb?

I read this article on Yahoo and its by Jon Gruden.

Jon Gruden scouts 5 QBs who could be on Bears' radar - Chicago Tribune

I don`t watch college football,i`ve tried,just can`t do it.
But for those of you who do,what do you think about the other 3 qbs Jon mentions:
Bryce Petty-Brett Hundley and garret Grayson.........would any of these guys worthy of a second or if they are,would they last long enough for us to draft any of them at no.2?

On Petty: “Petty might have the best arm talent in this draft. Last year Derek Carr came to town and put on an aerial display. I would be surprised if Petty isn’t that guy this year. Stereotyped in the Baylor offense, but he’s different. He’s a great passer. He’s a finisher. I love finishers. Gray shirt, red shirt, waited his time. He’s physically and mentally ready to go. I like Petty.”

On Hundley: “Hundley helped put UCLA football back on the map. They were in trouble before he arrived. Really, what he did running and passing, taking over the city of Los Angeles the last three years, is a great accomplishment. And, for the Bruins to finish as a top-10 team, that puts an exclamation point on his career. A talented guy.”

On Grayson: “There’s a lot of parts of Colorado State’s system that I recognize, unlike a lot of college football that’s running up-tempo, no-huddle, spread-option football. There’s some principles at Colorado State that will serve Grayson well. He can run it. He can audible. He can get you out of trouble with his legs. He’s a dark horse in this class.”

I really think we draft d-line with first pick,but if possible maybe one of these guys with the no.2.

What do you guys think?

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Hey wood, how about we have a "should we draft a QB and if so who" conversation in about a week if Cutler is somehow gone? Until then, it is sort of an abstract concept to be discussing.

 

[wood20ks]

Hey wood, how about we have a "should we draft a QB and if so who" conversation in about a week if Cutler is somehow gone? Until then, it is sort of an abstract concept to be discussing.

well it maybe,but whse to say that one of those qbs would not be a good idea for a 2nd if they are worth it?

I`m all for another qb myself,but I really think we are gonna have Jay back.
Say if we spend a 2nd round pick on one of them,its one less year we have to worry about a qb.(especially if Jay falters again next season)

I know its a slow offseason so far,and the Cubs are a few weeks away,but hey just trying to keep a dead board going.

 

[leomaz]

I dont believe a word of it.........all anonymous? If you are man enough to put your name to it, then you are just trying to cover your ass or you are just a plain liar