Kaepernick being investigated....

[Pattersonca65]

Sounds like you have him guilty. From reading the story I get the opposite. I get that if any thing at all. He was an innocent bystander. The police so far haven't found any evidence he was thier when whatever occured.

I don't come away from MHL's post about the presumption of guilt. I agree with his take about all this speculation. There is so much out there, much of it speculation up to this point. I think for the 49ers sake, it would be good for the police to come to conclusion on this matter guilty or innocent. As long as the investigation continues, speculation will continue to run rampant.

 

[MHSL82]

Sounds like you have him guilty. From reading the story I get the opposite. I get that if any thing at all. He was an innocent bystander. The police so far haven't found any evidence he was thier when whatever occured.

No, I'm with you. I was just trying to merge the stories incorporating her story and theirs and saying that we don't know anything because everyone who was there has an incentive to say their story and have had days before anything came out to come to a consistent story. I think they are not guilty, but someone who was guilty would also have a similar story - even when I believe their story makes sense.

It's like how people pointed to Vilma's denials and countersuit against the NFL as if his accounts were accurate and unbiased. One who was guilty of purposely injuring for money would say what Vilma said. An innocent man would, too. It was pointless.

I'm not a birther, but IF Obama were from Kenya, he'd do all the same things he's done and said - and if people think he's a liar on citizenship, they should belive the birth certificate was fake, amirite? Obama would do the same thing if he was born in Hawaii. It's not proof if it comes from the accused (unless it's like forensics or a confession - which technically isn't proof, just a non-challenge/admission). An outside party is.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

I accept the going rate for a good passer is 18 million/year, so is Kaep as good a passer as these guys? if he is, then he gets the going rate, if he isn't, then he gets less.

IMO Kaep isn't as good a passer like these other guys. in particular, he should be more consistent game to game, and be more successful in the RZ. NOT even asking for league leading stats.

passing ability and winning are two different things, Kaep certainly gets credit for winning, but with this good a team most QB's should. not quite sure what you mean with "more accomplished than Stafford and Cutler"? does this refer to passing skills, winning games, or other?

That's not really the question, though. The question is whether he is as good a QB as these guys. And there is at least an argument that the answer to that question is yes. Clearly he's had more success, though he has a better supporting cast and hasn't been asked to do as much. However, he has come through in the clutch in several playoff games, basically taking over the offense when the ground game has stalled. That factors into a player's perception of how good he is, and likely with good reason.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

So Kaepernick left and she refused to leave until Kaepernick came back. He presumably didn't come back and she was sent to the hospital for what? I accepted that she had blacked out because of alcohol, marijuana and other stuff, or at worst a drug, but now I don't know. It was confirmed that she was "out" when she got to the hospital, right? Or could she have made that up but was still sent to the hospital? She was naked or just her statement? I believe she was drunk and/or high and may have undressed herself (what she says sbout a Kaepernick doing it and their sexual past, I don't know what to believe). It could have been like she said, they had some drinks and hits and he undressed her, said he'd come back (or just left), and she refused to leave until he came back (which he may have had no intention of doing so).

I believe she was out and Kaepernick was gone, but everything else is someone's story that can't be confirmed (except contemporaneous 911 calls and tox tests).

Initially, most were taking her story as at least being mostly true. But information since then has cast some pretty serious doubt on her story. It's an odd situation. If she was a spurned lover and wanted to get back at Kap, presumably she would have said something that portrayed him in a worse light. I'd think this hotel has surveillance cameras all over the place, and could at least put Kap in the building if not his room, though. I saw a report somewhere that Lockette picked the woman up, so it is possible that Kap was never there at all. Not sure we'll ever get the full story on this one....

 

[Manster7588]

Because of the delay in releasing the results of the r*pe kit and tox test, I think something besides her passing out naked happened. In no way am I saying Kaep raped her. It is entirely possible Kaep was no where around but what about the other two. I see no reason to keep the results quiet if they came back clean. What about the surveillance tapes. By know they know exactly how long he was or wasn't there.

IMO something happened to this girl and the police are trying to put the puzzle together, before making any arrests.

 

[purguy12]

This is a dead story for Kap. He is in the clear.

 

[BOB11]

Initially, most were taking her story as at least being mostly true. But information since then has cast some pretty serious doubt on her story. It's an odd situation. If she was a spurned lover and wanted to get back at Kap, presumably she would have said something that portrayed him in a worse light. I'd think this hotel has surveillance cameras all over the place, and could at least put Kap in the building if not his room, though. I saw a report somewhere that Lockette picked the woman up, so it is possible that Kap was never there at all. Not sure we'll ever get the full story on this one....

Her story is dead in the water. If the cops find no evidence of Kap being thier when she claims he was. I mean she claimed he undressed her. How is that possible if the hotel videos and police find zero evidence that he was in the room. What did he r*pe her with his mind..

Because of the delay in releasing the results of the r*pe kit and tox test, I think something besides her passing out naked happened. In no way am I saying Kaep raped her. It is entirely possible Kaep was no where around but what about the other two. I see no reason to keep the results quiet if they came back clean. What about the surveillance tapes. By know they know exactly how long he was or wasn't there.

IMO something happened to this girl and the police are trying to put the puzzle together, before making any arrests.

Oh I'm not saying it impossobile the other two did some thing to her,but she claimed Kap was there and part of the trio. So far the cops have found any thing that proves Kap was in the building at the time. Could video change that sure,but so far more and more info we keep getting. It sounds like she just threw Kap name in the report for the hell of it or to make her story more believable.

 

[Manster7588]

Her story is dead in the water. If the cops find no evidence of Kap being thier when she claims he was. I mean she claimed he undressed her. How is that possible if the hotel videos and police find zero evidence that he was in the room. What did he r*pe her with his mind..

You have to know if she was slipped a date r*pe drug, her time line can be off. Police are gathering surveillance tape. That will tell us if Kaep was present or not.

 

[Manster7588]

Her story is dead in the water. If the cops find no evidence of Kap being thier when she claims he was. I mean she claimed he undressed her. How is that possible if the hotel videos and police find zero evidence that he was in the room. What did he r*pe her with his mind..



Oh I'm not saying it impossobile the other two did some thing to her,but she claimed Kap was there and part of the trio. So far the cops have found any thing that proves Kap was in the building at the time. Could video change that sure,but so far more and more info we keep getting. It sounds like she just threw Kap name in the report for the hell of it or to make her story more believable.

Yes it is 100% possible she just threw Kaep name in. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Manster7588]

So far MPD has only said Kap wasn't present when they responded. Surveillance tape has not cleared him.

 

[BOB11]

So far MPD has only said Kap wasn't present when they responded. Surveillance tape has not cleared him.

No they also said they haven't been able to prove that he was there at all.

"Miami Police Chief Manuel Orosa said that, so far, police have not confirmed the woman’s report that Kaepernick had been among a trio of men in the hotel room on the night of April 1. She named him in a report she filed with police two days after the incident."

Read more here: Miami police don?t believe Kaepernick was in hotel suite at time of 911 calls - 49ers - The Sacramento Bee​

 

[Manster7588]

No they also said they haven't been able to prove that he was there at all.

"Miami Police Chief Manuel Orosa said that, so far, police have not confirmed the woman’s report that Kaepernick had been among a trio of men in the hotel room on the night of April 1. She named him in a report she filed with police two days after the incident."

Read more here: Miami police don?t believe Kaepernick was in hotel suite at time of 911 calls - 49ers - The Sacramento Bee​

Has MPD came out and said Kap was NOT in the Hotel? Like I said earlier I'll wait for the completed investigation.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

You have to know if she was slipped a date r*pe drug, her time line can be off. Police are gathering surveillance tape. That will tell us if Kaep was present or not.

A tox screen can take awhile. I'm assuming the lab has a waiting list to test blood, particularly in less serious cases where the other evidence of a crime is limited.

 

[darken65]

Just wait until the official report comes out. It is simply a waiting game. The 9ers are doing the same thing as far as his contract. Have patience.

 

[Kinzu]

I'm going to get in trouble for this comment, but I really think trying to trade Kaep for 1st round pick and keeping Alex would have been the better choice. I don't see a big difference between the two of them to warrant the drastic dollar difference in their contracts. Kaep is a better athlete with a better arm, but he lacks in leadership and decision making.

An extra 1st round pick, cheaper contract, and keeping a well liked leader on the team may have been the better choice. Kaep certainly has to play better to warrant the team going with him.

Hopefully with Gabbert being picked up the coaches will be a little more inclined to let Kaep be a more dynamic weapon on offense.

 

[sjballer03]

I'm going to get in trouble for this comment, but I really think trying to trade Kaep for 1st round pick and keeping Alex would have been the better choice. I don't see a big difference between the two of them to warrant the drastic dollar difference in their contracts. Kaep is a better athlete with a better arm, but he lacks in leadership and decision making.

An extra 1st round pick, cheaper contract, and keeping a well liked leader on the team may have been the better choice. Kaep certainly has to play better to warrant the team going with him.

Hopefully with Gabbert being picked up the coaches will be a little more inclined to let Kaep be a more dynamic weapon on offense.

Having an extra first could've meant drafting Eric Reid (without needing to trade up) and maybe Cordarrelle Patterson. Patterson's dynamic YAC ability would've been right at home with Alex Smith's passing. Plus his KR/PR returning is what we sorely needed. Sigh, if only...

Last year's draft was weak on QBs, but I wonder what team would have bit on Kap. Maybe Buffalo, Cleveland, Oakland, Minnesota, NYJ, Philly or Tampa?

 

[MHSL82]

I overestimated ESPN once again. I thought that, by the headline, they were making a note that Kaepernick was showing up to camp despite not having a new contract, an expected but positive thing. Instead, they're noting that Kaepernick is reporting despite the investigation. Smear, smear, smear after overpraising him before (too high expectations too early). Extreme Sports Network.

Colin Kaepernick joins San Francisco 49ers for workouts - ESPN

 

[Badger8843]

I'm going to get in trouble for this comment, but I really think trying to trade Kaep for 1st round pick and keeping Alex would have been the better choice. I don't see a big difference between the two of them to warrant the drastic dollar difference in their contracts. Kaep is a better athlete with a better arm, but he lacks in leadership and decision making.

An extra 1st round pick, cheaper contract, and keeping a well liked leader on the team may have been the better choice. Kaep certainly has to play better to warrant the team going with him.

Hopefully with Gabbert being picked up the coaches will be a little more inclined to let Kaep be a more dynamic weapon on offense.

Hahahah, no we are not trading our franchise QB, he is a top 10 QB in the league and in less then 2 years of starting took this team to a SB and 1 play away from another SB trip. AS is not as good as CK, learn it, live it, love it

 

[Pattersonca65]

Still no news on the investigation. Dragging out. Needs to get resolved

 

[MHSL82]

Hahahah, no we are not trading our franchise QB, he is a top 10 QB in the league and in less then 2 years of starting took this team to a SB and 1 play away from another SB trip. AS is not as good as CK, learn it, live it, love it

He wasn't saying AS > CK - he was talking about the money for other players plus better trade compensation plus the fact that conservative Harbaugh didn't allow for much more production from Kaepernick than Smith. The trade compensation could also replace Smith for an even cheaper rookie contract for what SF believes is better than Smith. That will change a bit as Kaepernick improves with experience.