2013 Broncos Schedule

[Broncosr0k]

TGann, your SEC analysis does not work. No one has gone to the SEC for years and come away with wins except for SEC teams. MANNING IS 25-4 IN THE AFCN!!!!!! So what you are saying is that instead of playing those teams 6 times a year where he knows them and can prepare better he should not have good numbers but coming in and playing them once a year or a few more times he should have great numbers even though he does not see them regularly and prepares for like a week. Fucking stupid. Manning and Brady would see success in the AFCN.

Tim Tebow managed to beat the steelers so your argument loses steam there alone.

Also, if we extrapolate your argument, Flacco, Dalton, and Big Ben should enjoy a ton of success outside of the AFCN. Reality is they are above average, or sometimes just average, no matter what division they play.

Like I said earlier. I can see playing a tough division makes you better prepared for playoffs but to say Manning would have significantly worse numbers is a crock of shit.

 

[Tgann69]

So what you are somehow trying to argue and losing is that somehow the AFCW and AFCE are in the same league as the AFCN? I never said that Manning or Peyton couldn't win in the AFCN. I said their numbers would go down significantly if they played the full schedule in the AFCN year in and year out.

Why is it so hard for you to get your arms around what the term 'great defenses' mean? They are great for a reason and that reason is they limit teams "mostly in their conference" from scoring a bunch of points and racking up huge yards in games.

I was saying the defenses can prepare for him 6 times a year and trust that the defenses in the AFCN are FAR better then Oaklands,KC's,SD's. Are you kidding me? If Peyton was in the AFCN he might NOT be playing at his age the beating he would take. Ben R. Looks like he is 60 from the beatings its not a slight on Peyton its reality and QBs in the AFCN are targets.

 

[cdumler7]

So what you are somehow trying to argue and losing is that somehow the AFCW and AFCE are in the same league as the AFCN? I never said that Manning or Peyton couldn't win in the AFCN. I said their numbers would go down significantly if they played the full schedule in the AFCN year in and year out.

Why is it so hard for you to get your arms around what the term 'great defenses' mean? They are great for a reason and that reason is they limit teams "mostly in their conference" from scoring a bunch of points and racking up huge yards in games.

I was saying the defenses can prepare for him 6 times a year and trust that the defenses in the AFCN are FAR better then Oaklands,KC's,SD's. Are you kidding me? If Peyton was in the AFCN he might NOT be playing at his age the beating he would take. Ben R. Looks like he is 60 from the beatings its not a slight on Peyton its reality and QBs in the AFCN are targets.

First off people have already shown you Manning has played the AFC North a ton and has put up good numbers against those top defenses that you keep speaking of. He doesn't just put up good numbers against weak defenses he does it against the top ones as well. The Broncos last year played 4 defenses (one of them twice so 5 total games) that were in the top 10. Manning put up 31, 25, 35, 31, and 30 points against those defenses. So that means he averaged over 30 points a game against the top defenses in the NFL. Not bad in my book.

Nobody here has said that the AFC North is not better than the AFC East or West. What people have been saying is he would do just fine as he has against the top teams in the NFL for his entire career. With Manning it would not matter what division he played in he would put up great numbers. Maybe they would drop some but not like you said significantly. Heck I think I could make the argument that Flacco struggled more outside of the AFC North than he did in it. 3 of the teams in the AFC West held him under 18 points a game with the only exception being Oakland but everybody tore that defense apart.

Also with your thoughts on Peyton taking a beating you obviously have done very little research into well about anything you say. Peyton has the quickest release time of any NFL quarterback in the NFL. He has played behind some great lines and some bad ones in his time but the stats remain the same when it comes to the hits that he takes in a season because he gets rid of the ball so much faster than other quarterbacks. I mean seriously if you are trying to compare Ben to Peyton you obviously are either drunk or blind. Ben is known for his running around. You never see Peyton doing that. You like to point towards these defenses would figure Peyton out but don't you think Peyton would figure them out too. I mean he is the king of reading defenses and making adjustments not only during the game but then for the next one. This isn't just one sided where the defense has the advantage. The more Peyton sees of a team the more he knows what does and doesn't work. My guess is those so called great defenses would be ranked worse because of having Peyton in the division...I mean when teams have gotten to play what Cincinnati and Cleveland have been throwing out for quarterbacks over the last 5 years and then Joe Flacco who has put up average numbers and that is being nice during the season it is no wonder they are ranked all so high. Ben Roethlisberger is the only quarterback in that division to put up decent quarterback numbers in a season. I don't think that is all the defenses making the quarterbacks look bad because other teams outside the division do it too. I mean look at last year and the worst team in football the Chiefs held Flacco and company to 9 points.

 

[Broncos6482]

@Dumler,BroncosR0k,Broncos 6482,BobGnarly,... Are you really trying to use the performance of playing each team in the AFCN "once" in a year to extrapolate that Peyton would do really well always against the AFCN teams? That's laughable. If Peyton played these teams 6 times a year he would have lower numbers to say anything else means you don't understand what great defenses can do to stats.

So let me see if I've got this straight; Manning's 5 games against the AFC North last year isn't enough, it's that 6th game that makes all the difference in the world?

You really aren't that bright.

 

[Broncosr0k]

So what you are somehow trying to argue and losing is that somehow the AFCW and AFCE are in the same league as the AFCN?

I never said they were, in fact MULTIPLE TIMES now I have alluded to the competition in that division being greater. You are just too thick. Must be all those Ray Lewis speeches.

I never said that Manning or Peyton couldn't win in the AFCN. I said their numbers would go down significantly if they played the full schedule in the AFCN year in and year out.

Not only have we shown Manning has won, he has also boasted good numbers. Show me Manning's numbers vs. the AFCN and show me Average Joe's numbers vs AFCN. Just the AFCN, I bet Manning has better numbers than Flacco.

limit teams "mostly in their conference" from scoring

Glad you are willing to admit Flacco is average.

"I was saying the defenses can prepare for him 6 times a year"

And opposing offenses can prepare for the defense. Derp!

Broncos put up 150+ points in 5 games against the north last year. So much for that defense. Besides didn't you argue that the ravens defense was shit last night and that made Flacco elite. Now you are arguing that they are great year in and year out. Which is it?

 

[Broncos6482]

Playing in the AFCN means you play 3 top 10 defenses most years 6 times a year. You think that Oakland or KC or SD bring that? Are you kidding me?

In 2012, the AFC North had 2 teams in the top 10 in defense. In 2011, it was all 4. In 2010, it was 2. In 2009, it was 3. In 2008, it was 2. So in Flacco's 5 years, only 2 of those years has the AFC North had at least 3 top 10 defenses. Additionally, in 4 of those years one of those top 10 defenses was the Ravens, who of course Flacco doesn't play. That means of the 80 games he's played in his career, Flacco has faced a top 10 AFC North defense 18 times. That's 22.5%, or fewer than 1 out of every 4. That also means that only once in his career has he played 6 games in the same season against a top 10 defense from the AFC North.

So what does all this mean? It means that something else you've claimed is actually a load of crap.

 

[Tgann69]

Are you really arguing that the AFCW is as good as the AFCN in defense?

 

[cdumler7]

Are you really arguing that the AFCW is as good as the AFCN in defense?

He's arguing your so called argument of playing great defenses is a little overrated. The fact that the Ravens have been one of the best defenses and Flacco not having to play them year in and year out kind of hurts the argument. Most of the years Flacco has been in the league Pittsburgh is the only actual top 10 defense that he would face in the division. Yes 2011 was a pretty tough year but otherwise it is about the same for every other division of having a top 10 defense that each team has to play. You seem to keep factoring in the Ravens into that discussion but Flacco never has to play his own team.

 

[Broncosr0k]

You spell it out for the guy and he still doesn't get it. Are we sure he isn't a raiders fan?

Even MasterAgain is not this dumb.

 

[cdumler7]

You spell it out for the guy and he still doesn't get it. Are we sure he isn't a raiders fan?

Even MasterAgain is not this dumb.

I don't know how else to say it that would make it more comprehensible. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink I guess.

 

[Tgann69]

throwing insults doesn't disprove that the Broncos play in an extremely weak division and your QBs and wrs take advantage of weak defenses.

Nothing has proven that is not true.

 

[cdumler7]

throwing insults doesn't disprove that the Broncos play in an extremely weak division and your QBs and wrs take advantage of weak defenses.

Nothing has proven that is not true.

Are you actually reading anything any of us write? Not one of us have said the Broncos play in a strong division. You seem to think that we all keep saying the AFC West is a great division...NO none of us have said that. We have said that Peyton and the Broncos would do just fine in any of the other divisions in the AFC as Peyton has shown even against the "Great" defenses in the NFL he still puts up big numbers such as his showing against the AFC North last year of leading the offense to average over 30 points a game. Peyton and the Broncos offense abused both good and bad defenses.

Also it was shown your argument with how great the AFC North defenses are is a little skewed in the idea that usually in the last 5 years (since Flacco came into the league) Pittsburgh and Baltimore have been the two defenses in the top 10. So that means both of those teams only have played one team from the division in the top 10 more years not as you put it of all 6 games in the division are against top tier defenses. Yes 2011 all 4 teams were in the top 10 so I will give you that but the majority of the years Flacco has been in the NFL he has played Pittsburgh and then 2 other mediocre defenses.

 

[Broncos6482]

He's arguing your so called argument of playing great defenses is a little overrated. The fact that the Ravens have been one of the best defenses and Flacco not having to play them year in and year out kind of hurts the argument. Most of the years Flacco has been in the league Pittsburgh is the only actual top 10 defense that he would face in the division. Yes 2011 was a pretty tough year but otherwise it is about the same for every other division of having a top 10 defense that each team has to play. You seem to keep factoring in the Ravens into that discussion but Flacco never has to play his own team.

 

[Broncos6482]

Are you really arguing that the AFCW is as good as the AFCN in defense?

No. Literally no one is saying that. Are you even bothering to read what we post? Because if so, your reading comprehension is AWFUL.

 

[Broncosr0k]

Broncos6482, you may need to update your av to say TGann instead of Master.

 

[Tgann69]

So lets talk about your new banner.

 

[WalkerBoh]

So lets talk about your new banner.

If I were associated with the Ravens, I'd be asking for it to be taken down. All it does is add bullitin board material to the home team, and provide target practice to any paintball enthusiasts. Why give Manning even more reason to torch the Ravens then he already has?

 

[Broncos6482]

So lets talk about your new banner.

It's not our banner, it's the NFL's. They put it there.

That said, let's talk about it. Go.

 

[cdumler7]

Vic Lombardi just posted a video of fans down town are now vandalizing the Joe Flacco posters. He was laughing throughout the video at people drawing things on his face then yelled "The Cops are on their way...DISPERCE!" Oh got to love that guy and Denver fans for their love of their town and team.

 

[Tgann69]

If Peyton were draped over M&T stadium they would burn it.... Im surprised the Flacco banner hasn't been taken down by the team Execs...