2024 Skins Free Agency Thread

[Sportster 72]

Lets just visit one player ... if they cut Leno, they can save $7,5 million in cap space which would cover the dead cap amount. But you have to replace him. How much does that cost? Let's say they sign one of the top 5 rookie tackles. I believe that would cost$7 million. So you are rid of Wylie for what he would have cost in 2024. Not a bad thing but it has to be accounted for in some way like that.

 

[skinsdad62]

You have to limit dead cap space as much as possible

 

[gkekoa]

Let’s f we replace him just visit one player ... if they cut Leno, they can save $7,5 million in cap space which would cover the dead cap amount. But you have to replace him. How much does that cost? Let's say they sign one of the top 5 rookie tackles. I believe that would cost$7 million. So you are rid of Wylie for what he would have cost in 2024. Not a bad thing but it has to be accounted for in some way like that.

You have to sign the rookies regardless so the point is moot. We have young guys already on the roster or we can resign Lucas…more than likely we will be going rookie. The number five pick will cost 6 million.

 

[Sportster 72]

You have to sign the rookies regardless so the point is moot. We have young guys already on the roster or we can resign Lucas…more than likely we will be going rookie. The number five pick will cost 6 million.

I understand how it works, I have said that three times now. A 5th round pick would cost as much as Wylie would .... 2nd, 3rd and 4th year he would be cheaper then the first year.

Josh said there are no short cuts to the top.

 

[gkekoa]

I understand how it works, I have said that three times now. A 5th round pick would cost as much as Wylie would .... 2nd, 3rd and 4th year he would be cheaper then the first year.

Josh said there are no short cuts to the top.

A fifth round pick would not cost nearly what Wylie costs. Fifth round players are cheap.

 

[Stymietee]

So many are fixated on redoing the offensive line but let me remind you that... Knowing what you're doing is often as important as how or where you draft them.

The Original Hogs were Joe Jacoby, George Stark, Russ Grimm, Mark May, and Jeff Bostic. ( Take note of their draft positions)

Starke​

Starke was the senior member of the squad. He was already a team captain, but almost never played a down in the NFL. He was drafted in 1971 by Washington, ( Round 11 pick 272) but was cut two weeks into training camp. He went and tried out for the Kansas City Chiefs, and ended up being their very last cut.

In 1972, he was cut six weeks into a Dallas Cowboys training camp. Fortunately, Washington asked him to return and try again. This time he made the taxi squad (practice squad), but managed to play his way to starting right tackle by 1973.

By the time the Hogs rolled into shape, he was a grizzled veteran and ten years older than the rest of the gang. Perhaps that’s why he was indeed, the Head Hog. All of the other Hogs were new to the team.

Bostic​

Bostic was signed as a long snapper in 1980 after being cut by the Eagles. General Manager Charlie Casserley had seen Bostic play center and guard at Clemson and had been impressed. Though he played guard as a senior, Casserley thought he was a better center. Bostic earned his way to the starting center job by the beginning of his second season.

That season was 1981, and that was when it all started for the Hogs. Washington drafted two rookie linemen that year – both out of Pittsburgh – with their first two picks. They took May with their first-round pick, the 20th overall. They took Grimm with their third-round pick, the 69th overall.

May​

As a first-round pick, May Day arrived to a lot of hype. He was Pitt’s first-ever Outland Trophy winner and had not allowed a sack in either his junior or senior season. However, he ended up on the bench early on, before being moved to his eventual home at right guard. He would ultimately start at both right guard and right tackle in his time as a Hog.

Grimm​

The Grimm Reaper was also highly regarded – especially by the Redskins. Washington gave up their first-round draft choice in 1982, to be able to select him in the third in 1981. He was worth it. Coach Bugel once described him as, “one of the most complete football players, and people, that I’ve ever coached.”

He is the only Hog in the Hall of Fame.

Jacoby​

The final piece of the puzzle, the biggest piece, joined the Redskins that same famed 1981 training camp. A giant rookie undrafted free agent from Louisville named Joe Jacoby walked into Coach Gibbs’ office looking for a job. Figuring Jacoby was a defensive tackle because of his massive size (6’7″, 305 lbs), Gibbs told Joe that he’d give him a chance.

Folklore tells the story that Gibbs was upset with Bugel for not telling him that Big Jake was an offensive tackle. Washington already had such a glut of offensive linemen at camp that year (18). Obviously, in this instance, Buges was right. He had seen and talked to Jacoby as a senior and asked him to put on some weight.

The positions they officially played changed early and with some frequency, but those are the five original offensive linemen and the core of The Hogs.

The rest is history.

The Others​

Don Warren was not originally a Hog but The Flying Dutchman became one. Fred Dean and Doc Walker were additions as well.

 

[Sportster 72]

A fifth round pick would not cost nearly what Wylie costs. Fifth round players are cheap.

My bad .... 5th overall pick. I looked it up on Sportrac, a 5th overall would get a contract in the neighborhood of $32 million.

Again, my point is not that they shouldn't cut Leno. It was that if you cut Leno a 5th round pick would make about the same money in his first year as Wylie would for 2024. Years 2, 3 and four there would be some cap savings.

 

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[redskinsfan1963]

ifthey don,t address th line in the draft they have tooi n fa.

 

[kbso83432]

ifthey don,t address th line in the draft they have tooi n fa.

I'm thinking both. I doubt they spend big at Edge. If they were gonna do that, they would have just kept Sweat.

Think they probably sign a good run stuffing, edge setting DE and probably try to get a pass rusher with one of their 2nds.

I can see them spending big on one FA o-lineman and drafting a couple more with two of their first five picks.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

I'm thinking both. I doubt they spend big at Edge. If they were gonna do that, they would have just kept Sweat.

Think they probably sign a good run stuffing, edge setting DE and probably try to get a pass rusher with one of their 2nds.

I can see them spending big on one FA o-lineman and drafting a couple more with two of their first five picks.

in my view the most dsperate need is ol.i think riveria and del rio,s shitty coaching played a huge part in defensive player product.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Free agency is for filling needs, BPA is the best draft strategy. I hate it when fans do their own mock drafts and come away with 3 OL, a tight end and then other positions of great need. That only means they bypassed better players to fill the most pressing need. Every group on this team could use an upgrade so you take the best player on your board, period.

 

[skinsdad62]

Free agency is for filling needs, BPA is the best draft strategy. I hate it when fans do their own mock drafts and come away with 3 OL, a tight end and then other positions of great need. That only means they bypassed better players to fill the most pressing need. Every group on this team could use an upgrade so you take the best player on your board, period.

well that is your philosophy but mine is more of a combo . you make a list of what you need and try to fill them . it makes no sense to draft the BPA when you have an all pro at the position . you draft for needs taking the highest graded person on the board . if you cant fill a need and get value for it then you trade down or if a trade down isnt possible then draft the BPA .

the hit rates in FA are often less then 50% and draft picks cost less then FA's

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

well that is your philosophy but mine is more of a combo . you make a list of what you need and try to fill them . it makes no sense to draft the BPA when you have an all pro at the position . you draft for needs taking the highest graded person on the board . if you cant fill a need and get value for it then you trade down or if a trade down isnt possible then draft the BPA .

the hit rates in FA are often less then 50% and draft picks cost less then FA's

Let's not forget the Bulls had a good shooting guard when they selected Michael Jordan.

Fair point regarding the FAs, the hit rate here is more like 10%. I really do wonder what the hit rate is league wide. But I am pretty convinced we will have smarter people making those decisions. I think it's fair to say a 7 year starter at right guard in the NFL is a safer bet than a guard taken in the 3rd round out of Wake Forrest.

And clearly the Chiefs won't select a QB even if he is the BPA by a mile on their board. But for this team other than punter which position could not use an upgrade? That's why I say you draft BPA because you end up with the best players. Now if they have players that are close and they need to fill a larger need I can see a slight reach. But for this team I would prefer they not reach at all.

 

[skinsdad62]

you dont reach for anything you pick the best players at a position of need if the need offers value at the pick if value isnt at your pick on any of your needs you pick the BPA or trade down

 

[gkekoa]

Free agency is for filling needs, BPA is the best draft strategy. I hate it when fans do their own mock drafts and come away with 3 OL, a tight end and then other positions of great need. That only means they bypassed better players to fill the most pressing need. Every group on this team could use an upgrade so you take the best player on your board, period.

Actually, when you go BPA, you are more likely to get multiple OL and a TE. Most individuals in a draft are scared to draft that many OL.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

you dont reach for anything you pick the best players at a position of need if the need offers value at the pick if value isnt at your pick on any of your needs you pick the BPA or trade down

Sounds like we are pretty much in agreement after reading the end of your post. As I said if they are rated closely and they are in need of a position teams definitely reach a spot or 2. But to make it a rule to pass over higher rated players to strictly fill needs, no teams generally don't do that and for good reason. George Young, when his teams were doing very well, once said we leave our depth chart out of the draft room, which is why they continued to come up with good defensive lineman when that was not a need position. And in today's NFL as we have already seen with this DL a position of strength can become a position of need in a very short time.

Again this team can use upgrades at literally every position other than punter. So they should just select BPA every pick IMO because they will be drafting a higher rated player while also filling a position of need.

 

[Stymietee]

A team like Washington can't afford to trade down because it lacks above-average to elite players everywhere even though they pay premium dollars for average players. This has to stop!

 

[skinsdad62]

A team like Washington can't afford to trade down because it lacks above-average to elite players everywhere even though they pay premium dollars for average players. This has to stop!

you trade down if value isnt there

 

[skinsdad62]

Offensive Tackle​

Jonah Williams, Mehki Becton, and Austin Jackson are all former first-round picks amid the best campaigns of their respective careers. The OT market will also contain older veterans like Tyron Smith and Trent Brown, who are more than capable of continuing their careers.

1) Jonah Williams
2) Mike Onwenu
3) Mehki Becton
4) Austin Jackson
5) Tyron Smith
6) Trent Brown
7) Donovan Smith
8) Yosh Nijman
9) Josh Jones
10) George Fant

Interior Offensive Line​

The free agent interior offensive line group might be the weakest position among the 2024 class. The Miami Dolphins’ Robert Hunt has been healthy and productive throughout his career, but almost every other guard/center on next year’s market has at least one significant flaw, whether it’s injury issues, age, or ineffectiveness.

1) Robert Hunt
2) Jonah Jackson
3) Ezra Cleveland
4) Lloyd Cushenberry
5) Connor Williams
6) Damien Lewis
7) Kevin Zeitler
8) Aaron Brewer
9) Tyler Biadasz
10) Andrus Peat