Too early to talk about draft

[seahawksfan234]

I like Wilson, Anderson is growing on me. Carter is to big of a risk at the #5 spot IMO. It’s apparent he feels he doesn’t have to put in the work to be great, and his judgment is poor at best. As for the QBs I like Stroud best and feel he’s the safest of the QBs this draft.

I'd be thrilled if we got Will Anderson Jr.

I've already said a lot on Carter, but if I had to pick the best prospect other than Carter it would be Will Anderson Jr. or Bijan Robinson.

I think Bryce Young is the best QB in the draft. I had Stroud as #2, but his score on the S2 was very bad. If you're unfamiliar with the S2, here is a good article on it.

Introducing the S2 Cognition test that helps predict NFL quarterback success

The top NFL quarterbacks tend to score high on the S2 Cognition test that 800 draft prospects take each year. Purdy aced his exam last year.

theathletic.com

For those that don't have a subscription to The Athletic, here are a few telling paragraphs:

The S2 isn’t an intelligence test like the 50-question Wonderlic exam but rather measures how quickly and accurately athletes process information. It’s like the 40-yard dash for the brain.

For decades the NFL used the Wonderlic to measure intelligence. The questions start out easy — What’s the eighth month of the year?, for example — and get progressively more difficult. Most people can’t finish the 12-minute exam. While a high Wonderlic score suggests a quarterback knows how to study and will remember the playbook, it doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll hold up well against a zero blitz.

The company recently looked at 27 starting quarterbacks. (Some of the older veterans like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers had entered the league before S2 began testing in 2015 and there are no scores for them; Brees took the test while already playing in the NFL.) Of that group, 13 had a career passer rating above 90. The average S2 score of those players was the 91st percentile. Those with passer ratings below 90 had much lower test results.

“Those 14 guys, the average score was in the low 60s,” Ally said.

 

[MrS]

Update: The S2 Cognition test results for the 2023 QB Draft class, per
@BobMcGinn:
Bryce Young - 98%
Jake Haener - 96%
Will Levis - 93%
Jaren Hall - 93%
Clayton Tune - 84%
Anthony Richardson - 79%
Hendon Hooker - 46%
CJ Stroud - 18%

so this is why stroud seems to be falling out of favor right now?

 

[Anointed One]

I'd be thrilled if we got Will Anderson Jr.

I've already said a lot on Carter, but if I had to pick the best prospect other than Carter it would be Will Anderson Jr. or Bijan Robinson.

I think Bryce Young is the best QB in the draft. I had Stroud as #2, but his score on the S2 was very bad. If you're unfamiliar with the S2, here is a good article on it.

Introducing the S2 Cognition test that helps predict NFL quarterback success

The top NFL quarterbacks tend to score high on the S2 Cognition test that 800 draft prospects take each year. Purdy aced his exam last year.

theathletic.com

For those that don't have a subscription to The Athletic, here are a few telling paragraphs:

The S2 isn’t an intelligence test like the 50-question Wonderlic exam but rather measures how quickly and accurately athletes process information. It’s like the 40-yard dash for the brain.

For decades the NFL used the Wonderlic to measure intelligence. The questions start out easy — What’s the eighth month of the year?, for example — and get progressively more difficult. Most people can’t finish the 12-minute exam. While a high Wonderlic score suggests a quarterback knows how to study and will remember the playbook, it doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll hold up well against a zero blitz.

The company recently looked at 27 starting quarterbacks. (Some of the older veterans like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers had entered the league before S2 began testing in 2015 and there are no scores for them; Brees took the test while already playing in the NFL.) Of that group, 13 had a career passer rating above 90. The average S2 score of those players was the 91st percentile. Those with passer ratings below 90 had much lower test results.

“Those 14 guys, the average score was in the low 60s,” Ally said.

I’ve been saying it for a while, Jake Haener is my guy. He’s gonna make some team very happy. Especially with the value he’ll bring on where he’s picked in the draft.

 

[Screamin12th]

I’ve been saying it for a while, Jake Haener is my guy. He’s gonna make some team very happy. Especially with the value he’ll bring on where he’s picked in the draft.

I think Tune and O'Connell will be fine also as like 5th round picks or later. In MHO both are capable of out playing Geno Smith with a little development. I have brought these two up a few times before.

 

[JMR]

I’ve been saying it for a while, Jake Haener is my guy. He’s gonna make some team very happy. Especially with the value he’ll bring on where he’s picked in the draft.

Yeah, I don't know. His arm doesn't impress me much. He looks like Brad Johnson to me.

 

[MrS]

Yeah, I don't know. His arm doesn't impress me much. He looks like Brad Johnson to me.

he has colt mccoy, case keenum written all over him. thats not a bad thing, but i doubt he will be leading teams to the playoffs on a regular basis as a long term starter

Tanner McKee S2 score​

• 99th percentile, per Mike Garafolo

he has a bigger arm and better size than haener. if we are going to take a QB mid to late, he could be worth the gamble.

 

[Screamin12th]

he has colt mccoy, case keenum written all over him. thats not a bad thing, but i doubt he will be leading teams to the playoffs on a regular basis as a long term starter

Tanner McKee S2 score​

• 99th percentile, per Mike Garafolo

he has a bigger arm and better size than haener. if we are going to take a QB mid to late, he could be worth the gamble.

McKee was the first QB i wanted to take and said around the 3rd round or later and everyone was like ( he will be gone by then). I think he might be the best QB in this draft.

McKee, Tune and O'connell remember those three names.

 

[seahawksfan234]

so this is why stroud seems to be falling out of favor right now?

I don't think he has fallen in most mock drafts despite his testing result. This is a new test, but the results seem to be pretty predictive of QB success in the NFL. It begs the question though that if this test is so predictive, how come Stroud was so successful at Ohio State? I think you can attribute that to the players around him. In 2021 and 2022 he had probably the best WRs to throw to of any QB I can think of in addition to a great offensive line. I will say that aside from that test he checks every box you can possibly look for.

The Tweet I posted mentioned, "but if you get a poor score it's 100% - none of the quarterbacks that got a low score became good players." Will be interesting to follow as if anyone has the ability to become a good player despite a poor score, it's Stroud.

It'll be interesting to see if he slides. Brock Purdy had a phenomenal score yet was the last player selected in an extremely weak QB class.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I’ve been saying it for a while, Jake Haener is my guy. He’s gonna make some team very happy. Especially with the value he’ll bring on where he’s picked in the draft.

I still remember when he was at UW, a lot of UW fans were infuriated that Jacob Eason won the job over Haener. I actually think it's part of the reason Chris Petersen decided to retire from coaching. I feel like he ended up being pressured into playing Eason (local former 5* transfer from Georgia) over Haener, which led to Haener transferring.

Personally I think Haener is a guy who will end up being a good backup or a solid game manager with the right offense around him.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I think Tune and O'Connell will be fine also as like 5th round picks or later. In MHO both are capable of out playing Geno Smith with a little development. I have brought these two up a few times before.

Are you just really high on those two or do you really think that Geno Smith is that bad?

As someone who wrote Geno off and posted during the pre-season that I thought we had the worst QB situation in the NFL, his play convinced me that at best he's a top-10 caliber QB and at worst he's an average starter.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Yeah, I don't know. His arm doesn't impress me much. He looks like Brad Johnson to me.

I think someone will get a good backup out of him. In the right situation (see Brock Purdy) he could be a solid game manager but not a franchise QB.

 

[seahawksfan234]

he has colt mccoy, case keenum written all over him. thats not a bad thing, but i doubt he will be leading teams to the playoffs on a regular basis as a long term starter

Tanner McKee S2 score​

• 99th percentile, per Mike Garafolo

he has a bigger arm and better size than haener. if we are going to take a QB mid to late, he could be worth the gamble.

Tanner McKee is difficult to evaluate because his situation was so shitty.

 

[flyerhawk]

I don't think he has fallen in most mock drafts despite his testing result. This is a new test, but the results seem to be pretty predictive of QB success in the NFL. It begs the question though that if this test is so predictive, how come Stroud was so successful at Ohio State? I think you can attribute that to the players around him. In 2021 and 2022 he had probably the best WRs to throw to of any QB I can think of in addition to a great offensive line. I will say that aside from that test he checks every box you can possibly look for.

The Tweet I posted mentioned, "but if you get a poor score it's 100% - none of the quarterbacks that got a low score became good players." Will be interesting to follow as if anyone has the ability to become a good player despite a poor score, it's Stroud.

It'll be interesting to see if he slides. Brock Purdy had a phenomenal score yet was the last player selected in an extremely weak QB class.

I'm dubious about any report of some test I've never heard of that is supposedly highly predictive of success or failure. How has no one talked about it before these scores were leaked?

How can we know that this isn't disinformation from a team hoping to tank Stroud's value so they could possibly get them?

 

[seahawksfan234]

I'm dubious about any report of some test I've never heard of that is supposedly highly predictive of success or failure. How has no one talked about it before these scores were leaked?

How can we know that this isn't disinformation from a team hoping to tank Stroud's value so they could possibly get them?

It's possible but I read about this test from The Athletic prior to the results being released.

Not sure if it was a leak as - to my knowledge - players have to consent to their scores being released. If it was actually a leak, then someone is likely getting fired and possibly sued.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I'm dubious about any report of some test I've never heard of that is supposedly highly predictive of success or failure. How has no one talked about it before these scores were leaked?

How can we know that this isn't disinformation from a team hoping to tank Stroud's value so they could possibly get them?

Yeah I'm not putting much stock in this test until I see it affect draft stock enough for me to care.

 

[Screamin12th]

Are you just really high on those two or do you really think that Geno Smith is that bad?

As someone who wrote Geno off and posted during the pre-season that I thought we had the worst QB situation in the NFL, his play convinced me that at best he's a top-10 caliber QB and at worst he's an average starter.

Geno is Geno and he will not be better than he was last year. The same maybe MAYBE but I doubt it because he wont be as lucky. He is middle of the pack QB with no high side, he is 33 years old. I think All the guys i mention will be quality starters ( Not super stars ) with a possible higher ceiling than Geno. I actually believe Tune will have a successful NFL career.

O'Connell there is just this grit to him I like. Go watch some of his games and i think you will understand. He plays his heart out.

 

[MrS]

I don't think he has fallen in most mock drafts despite his testing result. This is a new test, but the results seem to be pretty predictive of QB success in the NFL. It begs the question though that if this test is so predictive, how come Stroud was so successful at Ohio State? I think you can attribute that to the players around him. In 2021 and 2022 he had probably the best WRs to throw to of any QB I can think of in addition to a great offensive line. I will say that aside from that test he checks every box you can possibly look for.

The Tweet I posted mentioned, "but if you get a poor score it's 100% - none of the quarterbacks that got a low score became good players." Will be interesting to follow as if anyone has the ability to become a good player despite a poor score, it's Stroud.

It'll be interesting to see if he slides. Brock Purdy had a phenomenal score yet was the last player selected in an extremely weak QB class.

ohio st has a pretty horrible QB track record in the NFL. he seems to have the physical traits, but none of them are the best in the draft. not the best arm, not the best accuracy, not the best football IQ but good in all. he also doesnt come off as very clutch, the one game I watched against michigan he was incredibly underwhelming and threw the game away with an INT near the end.

he actually reminds me a lot of geno minus the elite arm strength.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Brock Huard made a good point this morning on sports radio with regards to finding a good QB or a good DT… Finding elite game changing DT’s might be harder than finding elite QB’s, especially in today’s game where QB’s have never had it easier … How many elite game changing DT’s do you see vs QB’s in the league ? Seahawks have had what maybe 1 or 2 in their history? Cortez being one, Joe Nash, Brandon Mebane ? It’s not a huge list.. Those elite game altering DT’s prove hard to find…

 

[flyerhawk]

Brock Huard made a good point this morning on sports radio with regards to finding a good QB or a good DT… Finding elite game changing DT’s might be harder than finding elite QB’s, especially in today’s game where QB’s have never had it easier … How many elite game changing DT’s do you see vs QB’s in the league ? Seahawks have had what maybe 1 or 2 in their history? Cortez being one, Joe Nash, Brandon Mebane ? It’s not a huge list.. Those elite game altering DT’s prove hard to find…

Yup. And elite DTs are game wreckers. Cortez is the only true game wrecking DTs we've ever had.

 

[MrS]

Seeing the buzz about us taking QB at 5, Richardson appears to be the speculative favorite. It has to be smokescreening BS, theres just no way I can see QB at 5 being justified especially not richardson