Official Venting Thread AKA ACCCG/Sugar/Lockhart Venting Thread

[NickVT10]

JMU
UAB
Clemson
UVA

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[Sleepy T]

JMU
UAB
Clemson
UVA

Yeah..Im kinda wondering what are you are trying to say here too. Explain ImA.

This is my take. It is all moot because these games are over.

'10. If we beat Boise St. and JMU (that was a fluke game, if we beat Boise we beat JMU hands down), then we are at least in the conversation at the end of the season with being in the NCG instead of Oregon. Insert Western Michigan in place of Boise, not so much so...

'09. VT lost to GT and UNC in addition to Alabama. The kickoff game in no way affected how it all transpired.

'08. Lost to ECU, still lost 3 league games (division games to boot), won the ACC and Orange Bowl. Also beat Nebraska. How did that ECU loss cripple our season??

'07. If we would have beat LSU 1st game (I know, we got our ass kicked), then despite our last second loss to BC (compliments of MAtty Ice) then we STILL may have played for the NCG IMO..insert Austin Peay or Furman (coupled with ECU, W & M, and Ohio that year)..we might miss out

'06. Played a bunch of sissies in OOC. Lost 2 league games. OOC didn't matter.

'04. Lost to USC and lost a league game (NCST). Doesn't matter if we beat USC. An undefeated Auburn (who beat us 13-10 in the SB) is left out of the NCG that year.

There ya go, I went back almost ten years and could not find a single OOC lost that ultimately doomed us from being in the NCG. This further backs up the fact that we had nothing to lose in playing these games..plenty to gain. Everything to gain in some cases.

 

[jgHokie]

'07. If we would have beat LSU 1st game (I know, we got our ass kicked),

i say again.... DAMN YOU GLENNON!!!!! that is all....

 

[TagAndBrag]

Yeah..Im kinda wondering what are you are trying to say here too. Explain ImA.

This is my take. It is all moot because these games are over.

'10. If we beat Boise St. and JMU (that was a fluke game, if we beat Boise we beat JMU hands down), then we are at least in the conversation at the end of the season with being in the NCG instead of Oregon. Insert Western Michigan in place of Boise, not so much so...

'09. VT lost to GT and UNC in addition to Alabama. The kickoff game in no way affected how it all transpired.

'08. Lost to ECU, still lost 3 league games (division games to boot), won the ACC and Orange Bowl. Also beat Nebraska. How did that ECU loss cripple our season??

'07. If we would have beat LSU 1st game (I know, we got our ass kicked), then despite our last second loss to BC (compliments of MAtty Ice) then we STILL may have played for the NCG IMO..insert Austin Peay or Furman (coupled with ECU, W & M, and Ohio that year)..we might miss out

'06. Played a bunch of sissies in OOC. Lost 2 league games. OOC didn't matter.

'04. Lost to USC and lost a league game (NCST). Doesn't matter if we beat USC. An undefeated Auburn (who beat us 13-10 in the SB) is left out of the NCG that year.

There ya go, I went back almost ten years and could not find a single OOC lost that ultimately doomed us from being in the NCG. This further backs up the fact that we had nothing to lose in playing these games..plenty to gain. Everything to gain in some cases.

Amen.

 

[amszete]

'07. If we would have beat LSU 1st game (I know, we got our ass kicked), then despite our last second loss to BC (compliments of MAtty Ice) then we STILL may have played for the NCG IMO..insert Austin Peay or Furman (coupled with ECU, W & M, and Ohio that year)..we might miss out

I agree with all points - however I think we really had no real chance of making it to the NCG after getting the 41 pt. smackdown by LSU.

 

[NickVT10]

i say again.... DAMN YOU GLENNON!!!!! that is all....

As bad as Glennon played, we were destroyed all around that game.

 

[VTscores]

Yeah..Im kinda wondering what are you are trying to say here too. Explain ImA.

This is my take. It is all moot because these games are over.

'10. If we beat Boise St. and JMU (that was a fluke game, if we beat Boise we beat JMU hands down), then we are at least in the conversation at the end of the season with being in the NCG instead of Oregon. Insert Western Michigan in place of Boise, not so much so...

'09. VT lost to GT and UNC in addition to Alabama. The kickoff game in no way affected how it all transpired.

'08. Lost to ECU, still lost 3 league games (division games to boot), won the ACC and Orange Bowl. Also beat Nebraska. How did that ECU loss cripple our season??

'07. If we would have beat LSU 1st game (I know, we got our ass kicked), then despite our last second loss to BC (compliments of MAtty Ice) then we STILL may have played for the NCG IMO..insert Austin Peay or Furman (coupled with ECU, W & M, and Ohio that year)..we might miss out

'06. Played a bunch of sissies in OOC. Lost 2 league games. OOC didn't matter.

'04. Lost to USC and lost a league game (NCST). Doesn't matter if we beat USC. An undefeated Auburn (who beat us 13-10 in the SB) is left out of the NCG that year.

There ya go, I went back almost ten years and could not find a single OOC lost that ultimately doomed us from being in the NCG. This further backs up the fact that we had nothing to lose in playing these games..plenty to gain. Everything to gain in some cases.

I agree with that analysis.

Playing one "super team" a year doesn't hurt your chance at the national championship, and seriously, if you don't win it, maybe you're not ready for the national championship that year anyway.

VT shouldn't, and usually doesn't, shy away from the top teams, and that's the very attitude that keeps them in the NC conversation year after year.

Of course, winning those games (along with consistency in the rest of their games) would actually put them in the NC.

 

[vtpoop]

JMU
UAB
Clemson
UVA

I think his point was that was our OOC in 1999 when we played in the National Championship Game

 

[amszete]

I am not sure if there is a particular team you are referencing when you say "super team". But with the way things are in the cfb world today, if you get destroyed by a 2 loss SEC team by 41 pts, there is a very high chance you will not get a shot at a NCG with the way things are currently in cfb. The only way that will happen is if VT won out their remaining games and there was a play-off which lead to the NCG.

 

[amszete]

I think his point was that was our OOC in 1999 when we played in the National Championship Game

Yea I hear you, I think someof us are just adding a diffferent slant to what is being said as well.

 

[Sleepy T]

I agree with all points - however I think we really had no real chance of making it to the NCG after getting the 41 pt. smackdown by LSU.

I guess what I was trying to say amszete was that IF we win that game vs. LSU and lose to NCST..we may still have played for the NCG. Insert a weak OOC opponent and that may not have been the case (per the BCS points system). LSU would have likely been ahead of us in that scenario.

 

[amszete]

Yep - totally agree.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

We have had multiple teams who have been significantly more talented than that 1999 team. That team was fantastic, mind you and played unbelievably, but college football has changed and our team has changed a lot.

 

[jgHokie]

As bad as Glennon played, we were destroyed all around that game.

oh i know...it's just so easy to blame glennon for all of our problems..lol.

 

[HokieChamp]

So apparently, Lockhart was not on the early enrolled list for Miami...So is he even going to play D1 ball?

 

[HokieGhost]

So apparently, Lockhart was not on the early enrolled list for Miami...So is he even going to play D1 ball?

I'm guessing Lockhart will have to go the JUCO route.

Just as another line of thought, maybe there's some kind of paperwork glitch they're trying to clear up to eventually get him into Miami.

 

[Fetti]

Unfortunately my point has been misinterpreted. I would never argue that we schedule cupcakes. My belief has been against playing ridiculous games on Labor Day or to open the season. I know fans of schools in other conferences (both SEC and ACC who agree). We have enough historical data to prove that our staff does not have our players as ready as they should be early in the year. I don't know how any one can expect us to win a huge game on Labor Day, there are always critical, easily avoidable errors. I just think there's a difference between schedule suicide, and scheduling tough games such as Nebraska, Wisconsin, and others for home-and-homes where we can play the 2nd or 3rd week of teh season and those games will still be on national TV and still help with recruiting. A major point that needs to be made here is that we lose a home game but scheduling those games and yet the price of season tickets remains the same. That cannot happen every year to season ticket holders, and that's why Frank request that our Labor Day game this coming season is against one of our already scheduled home games.

I can't believe all of the nonsense I am reading about VT scheduling weak. That's pretty ridiculous if you ask me. They are scheduling stellar competition, but they just aren't winning these games. Minus the LSU debacle they have been very comPetitive in all of these games. There much more to gain than lose in playing these games (reasons already mentioned). Money, recruiting, exposure, etc.
Rep TAE... For not wanting to play a bunch of pussies

Definitely never said anything about us scheduling pussies. 100% for tough OOC scheduling. I'd argue we've had the toughest OOC scheduling in the country since 2004.

Scheduling hard makes the coaches and team tougher and better, IMO.....

Agree here as well. Need to prepare our guys better than Austin Peay and Directional Michinan University.

I agree with all points - however I think we really had no real chance of making it to the NCG after getting the 41 pt. smackdown by LSU.

EXACTLY^^. If we don't schedule LSU and lose, we are virtually a shoe-in for the MNC ahead of Oregon. May have been close, but even with our loss to Matty-Ice we still make the NCG! Whoever asked to name a game when it cost us a shot this is one. I'm sure some will disagree and say we still don't get it, but there's no argument for that logically.

I know a die-hard Rams Club contributor for UNC and was previously on the Board of Visitors. He, as an outsider, called me and asked if that LSU scheduling "looked so smart after all" the night of the BC loss. (This was because I had bragged about our scheduling of elite teams over his school's scheduling). He has told me repeatedly that he likes where UNC's scheduling is right now, and would never want to add a pre-season top 5 team on your OOC scheduling when it can NOT mathematically help you as much as it can hurt you.

We still had a shot at the MNC with both of the losses if a few things (that weren't too much of a stretch) happened at the end of the year. So yes, with only that 2:30~ meltdown in our Loss column, we make the National Championship game.

 

[Sleepy T]

I guess what I was trying to say amszete was that IF we win that game vs. LSU and lose to NCST..we may still have played for the NCG. Insert a weak OOC opponent and that may not have been the case (per the BCS points system). LSU would have likely been ahead of us in that scenario.

Hate to quote my quote..but see above^^

"If we don't schedule LSU and lose, we are virtually a shoe-in for the MNC ahead of Oregon. May have been close, but even with our loss to Matty-Ice we still make the NCG! Whoever asked to name a game when it cost us a shot this is one. I'm sure some will disagree and say we still don't get it, but there's no argument for that logically."

Ehhh. Maybe. IF we beat LSU then hell yes we are in. Beat up on a patsy team and we are at 11-1 hoping that we get in. Sorry, nooone is going to convince me that playing an inferior team in all of our OOC games is going to benefit us. The first time that we roll over a bunch of pansies in the OOC schedule and miss out on the BCSNCG because we are tied with multiple teams in ANY of the other BCS conferences (minus maybe the Big East) then everyone will be crying because we get left out.

 

[NickVT10]

I might be a little slow on this one but what is the M in MNC. I thought it was the National Championship. I am missing the M

 

[hunzworth]

M= mythical or that is my understanding.