Your Redskins draft grade

[Sharkinva]

That's my point Shark. So things went well and now the narrative is Bruce was locked in a closet. If things had gone bad, would that same narrative exist right now?

Nope, but lets be real. Last year Bruce was working off of Scots draft board. This year one is right to question WHO was actually leading this draft. Because the last few times Bruce has been in charge, we have mad some VERY questionable or underwhelming draft choices. Now is it possible Bruce has finally learned?? Sure it is, but one good draft does not a mastermind make.

So yes this draft might go a good way to changing the narrative on Bruce. But one is right to question who actually did this based on the track record of Bruce both here and in his previous stops.

 

[kbso83432]

You have every right to question it. I'm just pointing out the double standard.

 

[gkekoa]

NYpost is crap...they gave us a B, but quite a few others got As.

SI is worse with a C+. Only four worse.

WP had us third best.

 

[Stymietee]

Hey @Ritzarmy, is there any way to add solid grades now? I'm not sure that I see either a plus or minus grade with this draft. Thanks!

 

[Ritzarmy]

Hey @Ritzarmy, is there any way to add solid grades now? I'm not sure that I see either a plus or minus grade with this draft. Thanks!

Not understanding your question

 

[Stymietee]

Not understanding your question

All of the choices in trhe poll have either an - or + behind them. There are no solid grades. While I give this draft a solid B, I do want to participate in the poll.

 

[skinsdad62]

I gave us a B+. I don’t have an issue with any of the picks , I think we may have gotten a few steals . I will give my breakdown in a few days after I look at some tapes and research h it. I will toot my own horn because my mocks had stroman , Payne and the PSU kid in the mix and the positions targeted were also hit except OG

 

[GNG]

I give them a C+

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[skinsdad62]

Payne will probably start at 0 Tech in Base with Allen/Ioannidis at 5 Techs. But if Settle can keep weight in check, he can certainly rotate at 0 Tech and Payne has athleticism to rotate at 5 Tech as well. Several pieces. This is great isnt it

 

[Caliskinsfan]

2018 NFC Draft Grades - Rotoworld.com

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Lol at Draft grades I seen A,B,C grades for are draft which one is it ..

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Tandler’s Take: Grading the Redskins’ draft

Since we don’t know how the careers of the players picked by the Redskins yesterday will turn out we must dig in a little more to come up with a grade for the draft headed up by Doug Williams, Jay Gruden, and Bruce Allen. It is possible to grade the process so that is what is done here. Here’s my assessment, feel free to leave yours in the comments.

Strategy—A-

There was a lot to like about the second-round trade that ended up with the Redskins getting Derrius Guice and tackle Geron Christian.The deal itself was good, favoring the Redskins by the equivalent of a mid-fifth-round pick when you look at the traditional draft trade chart. They make the deal with Kyle Shanahan’s 49ers, showing that the organization won’t let ruffled feathers over the messy departure of their former offensive coordinator get in the way of making a deal to help the team.

And the result, getting Guice, who would have been a solid value at the Redskins original second-round pick, and Christian, who could develop into a solid backup tackle and perhaps more, made the deal a very, very good one.

Of course, that’s looking at the deal right now. If there is fire behind the smoke of all of the talk about Guice that emerged in the past few days and he ends up with problems that affect his on-field production it could be a different story.

I think that the topic of drafting Payne with Derwin James and Tremaine Edmunds still on the board has been covered adequately here. I think that the defense may have been better in the long run if they had taken James and then had fourth-round pick Tim Settle of Virginia Tech play nose tackle instead of drafting Payne. But the Redskins did what they believed they had to do to correct the rushing defense, the single biggest deficiency on the team. It’s hard to blame them much for that.

They moved up in the sixth round, elevating eight spots in exchange for dropping 25 spots in the seventh, and took on some injury risk Shaun Dion Hamilton. The Alabama linebacker suffered a torn ACL in 2016 and last year he broke a kneecap. The injuries cost him a few rounds of draft position and if he stays healthy he could provide a good reward for fairly little risk. Hamilton was sharing playing time with high draft picks Reggie Ragland and Rueben Foster before the injury problems hit.

Talent/value/needs—A-

They had three major needs coming into the draft—on the defensive line, at running back, and at left guard. They took care of the first two situations with their first two picks. Payne wasn’t a bad value while Guice was an excellent value.

The guard position went unaddressed. My guess is that they wanted to find one to develop in the fifth round but when they saw Settle still there they couldn’t pass up the value. As of right now, the starter is Arie Kouandjio, who was inconsistent after injuries forced him into a starting role for the last six games of the season. We will see if they try to sign a veteran free agent option to compete with Kouandjio.

With their third- and fourth-round picks they added some impressive athleticism, something the team still lacks. Christin is a former basketball player who can move. Troy Apke was called “freakishly athletic” by Mike Mayock. That is an asset that the team needs.

After taking Payne, I think that the Redskins didn’t think that they would draft Settle, in whom they had shown some interest pre-draft. But, as noted, when he was still on the board in the fifth round, they couldn’t leave him there. The Redskins now have a potentially strong, young core on their defensive line.

Looking at all eight picks, I can’t say that any were great reaches. It’s possible that they could have had Christian and Apke a round or two later but that isn’t a serious issue. Some will say that Payne was a reach. I’d say he may have been a slight reach at No. 13; perhaps his value was more towards the late teens. The presence of James and Edmunds on the board magnifies that. They may not have maximized the pick in theory but, again, it’s hard to find fault with them going D-line with a slight reach.

Overall—A

They addressed three serious areas of weakness on the team. The rushing defense got better with Payne and Settle. The rushing offense will improve with Guice. And special teams will be better with the addition of Apke, sixth-round pick ILB Shaun Dion Hamilton, and, if he makes the roster, seventh-round pick Greg Stroman.

There appeared to be a few different strategies at work. As noted, they got more athletic with Christian and Apke. They are a more physical football team with Payne, Guice, and Settle. And for the second year in a row, the majority of the picks went to defense. Last year it was six out of ten on that side of the ball and this year it was five of eight.

The overriding theme was that they drafted like a team that doesn’t believe it is far from being in playoff contention. Don’t get me wrong, they don’t think they’re a couple of pieces away from a Super Bowl. But the organization does believe that they had a pretty good team last year and the season got derailed by injuries. You can argue whether that’s true but that’s how they acted.

The A grade reflects a job well done by Allen, Williams, Gruden, Kyle Smith, and the rest of the team’s personnel department. With the exception of the possible opportunity cost of draft Payne, it’s hard to find serious fault in how the draft played out.

Now that this part is done, it’s up to the coaching staff to get the most out of these players. We don’t know how they will turn out. After a successful draft process, it’s on to determining the true grade and results.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

PFF

1 (13) Da’Ron Payne, DI, Alabama, 87.7
2 (59) Derrius Guice, RB, LSU, 85.1
3 (74) Geron Christian, OT, Louisville, 84.9
4 (109) Troy Apke, S, Penn State, 82.5
5 (163) Tim Settle, DI, Virginia Tech, 86.0
6 (197) Shaun Dion Hamilton, LB, Alabama, 82.6
7 (241) Greg Stroman, CB, Virginia Tech, 84.4
7 (256) Trey Quinn, WR, SMU, 91.1

Day 1: Washington’s defensive front was in good shape in 2017 with the exception of the nose tackle position, where Ziggy Hood was still playing over 500 snaps and generating next to nothing in production to show for them. Matt Ioannidis and Jonathan Allen should set the team up well with pass-rushing interior players up front, which leaves Alabama’s Da’ron Payne to assume those nose tackle snaps and be their primary run-stuffing force up front. Like most Alabama defensive linemen, Payne’s run-stuffing credentials are unimpeachable, and his PFF grade in that regard has improved each year, as has the number of defensive stops he notched, topping out with 29 in 2017. Payne’s pass-rushing skills are more of a question mark, and this is a passing league, so how much he can impact the game on third downs will likely determine how good this pick was.

Day 2: The Redskins halted the slide of RB Derrius Guice in this draft, snagging him in the second round with the 59th overall pick. Guice earned an overall PFF grade of 85.1 in a down year for him as he was slowed by injury, but he can be a complete back for them and broke 106 tackles on 470 career carries. They also added Geron Christian to the offensive line from Louisville. Christian has improved each year of his career but had the 46th-best pass blocking efficiency score in this draft class, surrendering 12 sacks over his three previous seasons.

Day 3: LB Shaun Dion Hamilton from Alabama has early-round talent, but injuries saw him tumble in the draft. He had an overall PFF grade of 86.6 in 2016. In the seventh they go back to Virginia Tech to replace a departed corner (Kendall Fuller) with another in Greg Stroman. When targeted, Stroman allowed a passer rating of just 26.8 and surrendered only 12 catches all year.

Overall grade: Good

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[deanpet21]

Kipers grade


Washington Redskins: B+

Top needs: Linebackers, defensive line, wide receiver

This is a good class, especially at the top. There was the biggest need filled with nose tackle Da'Ron Payne at No. 13. The Redskins had the worst rush defense in the league in 2017, surrendering 2,146 yards. And now Payne gets to partner up with a (hopefully) healthy Jonathan Allen, another Alabama defender who fell to Washington in Round 1 last year. Remember that Allen was looking like a Pro Bowl player before he got hurt. That D-line could be tough inside.

Then Washington upgraded its running game with Derrius Guice, my second-ranked back, who fell all the way to 59. Look, we don't know the exact reason why he dropped -- he has first-round talent -- but clearly teams were scared off by some questions. On the field, he's a really good player who can run over defenders with power and away from them with speed. When he replaced an injured Leonard Fournette in 2016, there was no drop-off, and he averaged 7.6 yards per carry. Also, fun note from my friends at ESPN Stats & Info: This is the eighth straight draft in which Washington has drafted a running back.

One of my favorite offensive tackles in this class is Geron Christian, who fell to Washington at 74 . He's raw, but he could be a starter at the next level. Safety Troy Apke (109) ran a blazing 4.34 40 at the combine, but he only started one season at Penn State. I graded him as a special-teamer and likely late Day 3 pick. Inside linebacker Shaun Dion Hamilton (197) has dealt with injuries, but he's a starting-caliber player if he can stay on the field. Defensive tackle Tim Settle (163) is a sleeper because the best version of him is a guy who goes much earlier. I had a fourth-round grade on Mr. Irrelevant, wide receiver Trey Quinn. That's a value pick at No. 256 for a slot receiver who caught 114 passes last season.

This isn't quite an "A," but it's close. I was surprised Washington waiting until the sixth round to grab a corner.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

It looks like the last couple of years we draft like a team that knows what players we want(theme)

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Anybody else tired of shaquem Giffen hoging the media spot light he is 5 rounder.. He had a birth affect I get that but to me he is equal to anybody else

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Well that's it draft is over long wait till end of July .. well it's fishing season now to fill the football void

 

[deanpet21]

I give them a C+

explain?