chico ruiz
Member
i appreciate your response 1507. and i believe you, as it applies to the late 70's and early 80's. but, if it had been the late 90's when you were coming up it may be a different story you tell. less risk and greater reward. i was asking you to take yourself outside of your particular chronological sphere. not to bait you or question your ethics, but to generate a conversation about everyone's culpability, not just selig's. i mentioned to you once how jim kaat, in a moment of absolute clarity said, if the modern ped's were available during his playing days, he would have done them. if somebody had told me when i was playing in babe ruth league and high school that my chances of getting drafted were going to increase exponentially if i did a particular ped (that wouldn't harm my long term health) i would have probably done it. so, the amount of players who have, and are using, is probably staggering. as you yourself have pointed out several times. put yourself in selig's shoes under those circumstances. a clean sweep shuts baseball down for a long time, and mlpa goes crazy and hires 1000 lawyers like it's goldman sachs. the owners fire him. just look at the legal wrangling that has gone on leading up to the a-rod suspension. btw, the yankees have the best lawyers. this is what it is really all about. who gets the money, and how much. and john is right. it is a cultural simulacrum. wall street bundled mortgages and called them securities. they bought credit default swaps to cover them. aig sold them knowing full well they couldn't cover more than 2% of them. synthetic CDO's? borrowing money on borrowed money which was borrowed. we were complacent and complicit then, and we still are. same with peds. let's be honest about who we are. it's a good place to start.