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Happy 45th Birthday to Fatolo Colon

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45 things to know about Bartolo Colon on his 45th birthday
 

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It's amazing how he still is pitching well

Love the picture Rock! (of Fatso)
 

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That HR/BB ratio (13/5). Carlos Silva walked 9 batters in 188.1 innings in 2005 while giving up 25 home runs.
 

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I never have been and never will be a fan of guys in their mid 40's hanging on after they've made their fortunes and taking a roster spot away from a young guy.

Didn't like Jamie Moyer, Julio Franco, Ichiro, Tim Wakefield or Randy Johnson either.

Cap a player's age at 40.
 

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I never have been and never will be a fan of guys in their mid 40's hanging on after they've made their fortunes and taking a roster spot away from a young guy.

Didn't like Jamie Moyer, Julio Franco, Ichiro, Tim Wakefield or Randy Johnson either.

Cap a player's age at 40.

I'd agree if those 40+ players were playing like shit, but Colon has a 98 ERA+ (about league average) over the last six seasons and he was good for 28+ starts in each of those seasons (190+ innings in four seasons). He's been worth 10.2 WAR over that span. There's a lot of value in guys that can be league average and pitch a lot of innings, and 190 innings is pretty good in this era.

Wakefield's chase for 200 was just awful though. He was plain bad and it took him like 30 tries just to get #200, or at least it felt that way. He reached 199 on July 24 and didn't reach 200 until September 13. Even when he finally did it, he gave up 5 runs in 6 innings. He left with a 10-5 lead. In win #199, he gave up 7 runs in 6.1 innings. Yes, he gave up 7 runs and got the W. Just further proof wins are a dumb stat for evaluating pitchers.
 

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I'd agree if those 40+ players were playing like shit, but Colon has a 98 ERA+ (about league average) over the last six seasons and he was good for 28+ starts in each of those seasons (190+ innings in four seasons). He's been worth 10.2 WAR over that span. There's a lot of value in guys that can be league average and pitch a lot of innings, and 190 innings is pretty good in this era.

He blew dick for the Braves, I don't wish injury, but I wouldn't really be upset if he caught a liner off the forehead.
 

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He blew dick for the Braves, I don't wish injury, but I wouldn't really be upset if he caught a liner off the forehead.

I don't blame you for that, he was pretty awful last year. He's pitched reasonably well thus far (3.55 ERA in Arlington, 3.88 xFIP). The .210 BABIP will regress a lot, but he's been pretty unlucky with home runs (20.6% HR/FB rate). I don't think it's a stretch to say he's a much better pitcher than Wakefield was in his last few years, and Colon at least does a great job limiting walks. Wakefield was completely reliant on a volatile pitch.
 

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I don't blame you for that, he was pretty awful last year. He's pitched reasonably well thus far (3.55 ERA in Arlington, 3.88 xFIP). The .210 BABIP will regress a lot, but he's been pretty unlucky with home runs (20.6% HR/FB rate). I don't think it's a stretch to say he's a much better pitcher than Wakefield was in his last few years, and Colon at least does a great job limiting walks. Wakefield was completely reliant on a volatile pitch.

I don't think it's bad luck with the homers. He gave up a ton of them last year too. When he's off with his location, he's gonna get hammered.
 

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I don't think it's bad luck with the homers. He gave up a ton of them last year too. When he's off with his location, he's gonna get hammered.

he's gonna give up home runs regardless, but given that he has a HR/FB rate well above what he's allowed over the last 5-6 years I think there's room for regression. Then again, he's pitching in Arlington. That ballpark is more HR friendly than anywhere else he's pitched (save for NYS in 2011).
 

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I never have been and never will be a fan of guys in their mid 40's hanging on after they've made their fortunes and taking a roster spot away from a young guy.

Didn't like Jamie Moyer, Julio Franco, Ichiro, Tim Wakefield or Randy Johnson either.

Cap a player's age at 40.

On behalf of myself and everyone else born on or before May 29th, 1978;

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I never have been and never will be a fan of guys in their mid 40's hanging on after they've made their fortunes and taking a roster spot away from a young guy.

Didn't like Jamie Moyer, Julio Franco, Ichiro, Tim Wakefield or Randy Johnson either.

Cap a player's age at 40.
Trolling?
 

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That HR/BB ratio (13/5). Carlos Silva walked 9 batters in 188.1 innings in 2005 while giving up 25 home runs.
13/7 now

saberhagen in 94

171.1 IP
13 HR
13 walks (0.7 per 9!)

11 k's per BB

over his last 2 seasons in boston before his arm fell off for good, he gave up more HR (14) than walks (11).
 
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