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Beengay fudgepackers · Jul 21, 2018

trojanfan12 said:
Westbrook averaged about 36 minutes per game, Schroder averaged 31.

Unless they plan on paying Schroder $15 million dollars to play 12 minutes per game. They are going to be on the floor together a good bit.

They had to take on salary in that trade. Melos contract is fucking awful. Shroder and his contract are much more sittable than Melo and his contract. Having said that and looking at their roster, they are a mess at SG, so you might be right. Shroder could become a tradable asset for a guy that can fill that 3 and D role for OKC though. Melo can’t.

As for Andre Roberson, I have no idea why teams still sign players like him.

tlance · Jul 21, 2018

Beengay fudgepackers said:
They had to take on salary in that trade. Melos contract is fucking awful. Shroder and his contract are much more sittable than Melo and his contract. Having said that and looking at their roster, they are a mess at SG, so you might be right. Shroder could become a tradable asset for a guy that can fill that 3 and D role for OKC though. Melo can’t.

As for Andre Roberson, I have no idea why teams still sign players like him.

That isn't true!

Melo's contract is far more easily tradable for 1 reason.

It is expiring!

Shroder has 3 years.

OKC could have bought Melo out or stretched him without taking back 45 million over 3 years. Shroder's value will only decline more in OKC. If they want to trade him before 2020, they will need to attach another decent pick.

Scapegoat · Jul 21, 2018

msgkings322 said:
How in the sam hell can anyone know what kind of players will be drafted in 4 YEARS? Or did I miss a joke here....

Are you serious? 2 draft classes in 1 draft. That's what kind of players will be in the draft 4 years from now. The volume of players will load the draft class through the first round into the second.

msgkings322 · Jul 21, 2018

Scapegoat said:
Are you serious? 2 draft classes in 1 draft. That's what kind of players will be in the draft 4 years from now. The volume of players will load the draft class through the first round into the second.

Actually that's pretty clever. Does that mean 2023 will be weaker then normal though? The HS kids that would have been available then will already be picked...

Scapegoat · Jul 21, 2018

msgkings322 said:
Actually that's pretty clever. Does that mean 2023 will be weaker then normal though? The HS kids that would have been available then will already be picked...

That should also be the case. Unless some Euro's skip the 2022 class because it will be so loaded and come into the 2023 class. But even then it should be a weak draft class.

tlance · Jul 21, 2018

msgkings322 said:
Actually that's pretty clever. Does that mean 2023 will be weaker then normal though? The HS kids that would have been available then will already be picked...

Not necessarily.

2023 could have a strong class of high school kids.

DJ · Jul 21, 2018

msgkings322 said:
How in the sam hell can anyone know what kind of players will be drafted in 4 YEARS? Or did I miss a joke here....

Next year or the following....yes.

But 4 years out is way extreme.

msgkings322 · Jul 21, 2018

DJ said:
Next year or the following....yes.

But 4 years out is way extreme.

But he corrected me and I get it. Do you get his point? About the rule change making that year a 'double class'?

msgkings322 · Jul 21, 2018

Scapegoat said:
That should also be the case. Unless some Euro's skip the 2022 class because it will be so loaded and come into the 2023 class. But even then it should be a weak draft class.

But perhaps some of the high school kids that year will do the same thing, go to college for a year knowing the next year will be thinner? It might all actually be a wash...

Scapegoat · Jul 21, 2018

tlance said:
Not necessarily.

2023 could have a strong class of high school kids.

I'm sure some high schoolers will go to college for a one and done for the same reason I said the Euro's will wait. But it should still be a weak class.

Scapegoat · Jul 21, 2018

msgkings322 said:
But perhaps some of the high school kids that year will do the same thing, go to college for a year knowing the next year will be thinner? It might all actually be a wash...

I just posted this same thing. But in the end I believe money talks and most will still go in 2022.

tlance · Jul 21, 2018

msgkings322 said:
But perhaps some of the high school kids that year will do the same thing, go to college for a year knowing the next year will be thinner? It might all actually be a wash...

In theory it should be stronger, but you never know.

Thing is, the straight out of high school guys are usually the best of the best in terms of prospects. There will probably only be a small number, but you get potentially 2 years worth of elite prospects. That does matter.

tlance · Jul 21, 2018

Scapegoat said:
I'm sure some high schoolers will go to college for a one and done for the same reason I said the Euro's will wait. But it should still be a weak class.

WHy?

It will be the same odds of being a strong class as every draft that follows it until they change the eligibility rules again. At least in terms of the high end prospects at the top.

Scapegoat · Jul 21, 2018

tlance said:
WHy?

It will be the same odds of being a strong class as every draft that follows it until they change the eligibility rules again. At least in terms of the high end prospects at the top.

It's projected to be the first class with high schoolers going straight to the NBA. That changes the odds. I thought that's what we were talking about. Did I miss something? I am watching tv and reading the board at the same time so it's happened before.

bksballer89 · Jul 21, 2018

tlance said:
No.

But He shouldn't be praised for this move either.

Because while it helps them save money this year, it costs them the next 2. And I do not think Shroder will help much on the court.

He's better than Felton. You do realize that right?

I don't see how anyone can say this doesn't help. He's better than Felton and they had a really weak bench last year.

They improved their bench unless you seriously think Felton >Schroeder

bksballer89 · Jul 21, 2018

OKC bench finished 29th last year in PPG.

Scapegoat · Jul 21, 2018

tlance said:
WHy?

It will be the same odds of being a strong class as every draft that follows it until they change the eligibility rules again. At least in terms of the high end prospects at the top.

Just saw this on another board. I think it makes my point. Rebuttal

Argue point

You're basically saying it's a shoe-in to be better then the 1984, 1996 and 2003 draft classes? ...and 2017 may turn out to be one of the best as well.

Rebuttal

How does that 1996 draft look without Kobe? How does 2003 look without LeBron? Taking those two high school kids out of the draft drastically changes how they are viewed. Any time you have a chance to have two years worth of lottery prospects compared to one you have to assume it will be a good and deep draft. Even if you are just throwing two average draft classes together you are talking about getting a starting caliber player at 30 instead of not getting one past 15.

tlance · Jul 21, 2018

Scapegoat said:
It's projected to be the first class with high schoolers going straight to the NBA. That changes the odds. I thought that's what we were talking about. Did I miss something? I am watching tv and reading the board at the same time so it's happened before.

I don't think so, just think the logic is a bit off.

'22 will be strong in theory because it will have the 1 and dones + the high schoolers and everyone else that needed more than a year of college.

'23 will have a new class of high schoolers along with everybody coming out of college. Just like every subsequent year. No reason to assume the class of '23 will be weaker than any other year, at least not at the top. There will always be a new class of high schoolers. '22 is special because it would be the first year those players are eligible, so you essentially get a double class of elite prospects.

tlance · Jul 21, 2018

bksballer89 said:
He's better than Felton. You do realize that right?

I don't see how anyone can say this doesn't help. He's better than Felton and they had a really weak bench last year.

They improved their bench unless you seriously think Felton >Schroeder

Of course he is better than Felton that isn't the point. The point is that he is paying 15 million to a bench player whose game doesn't fit Russ.

Part of why OKC's bench was so bad was because of Donovan's moronic rotations with all 3 of his big scorers on the bench at the same time.

Besides, you know what would have helped their bench more?

Carmelo freaking Anthony. Donovan needed to grow a pair and set him straight.

bksballer89 · Jul 21, 2018

tlance said:
Of course he is better than Felton that isn't the point. The point is that he is paying 15 million to a bench player whose game doesn't fit Russ.

Part of why OKC's bench was so bad was because of Donovan's moronic rotations with all 3 of his big scorers on the bench at the same time.

Besides, you know what would have helped their bench more?

Carmelo freaking Anthony. Donovan needed to grow a pair and set him straight.

I think they're eventually going to trade Schroeder. He has 3 years left on his contract at 15 mill yearly. No way are they keeping him on their roster for another 3 years to be a 6th man.

This was more about getting rid of Melo but I'll be a little surprised if he is on their roster next summer.

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