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I have gone on record as always saying that Wentz was better than Dak. I have said that the Cowboys offense will go as far as Zeke will take them and that Dak had benefited from having him as his RB. That has been my stance from the very beginning. I have said that Zeke not Dak deserved ROY and that Zeke should have got the MVP votes not Dak. That was all proven when the Cowboys struggled without Zeke but to be fair the offensive line injuries did not help matters.

It appears that some take the Dak/Wentz debate rather personal. I still think Wentz is better. However let's not get crazy here. It is not like Wentz is so far ahead that the discussion cannot be had. It is not like we are watching Manning/Leaf. Dak is going to be a stud. Yes he regressed last year but that is expected of everyone in the second year. They don't call it a sophmore slump for nothing. Wentz is the exception and got much better in year 2. This debate will go on for many years.

So right now the score card is simple.

Round one - Dak
Round two - Wentz
Round three - TBD.

Agree with most of what you said but the dropoff from Zeke to Morris was less than you're alluding too. I'd say the pending suspension weighed heavily on not just Zeke but the whole offense. The big struggles were when T. Smith went in and Chaz Green manned his spot.
As for Dak and Wentz, I'll have not problem saying Wentz is better if that turns out to be the case, he sure looked better last season, but from what I've seen these past two seasons is the differences isnt as big a gap as some are saying.
 

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I have gone on record as always saying that Wentz was better than Dak. I have said that the Cowboys offense will go as far as Zeke will take them and that Dak had benefited from having him as his RB. That has been my stance from the very beginning. I have said that Zeke not Dak deserved ROY and that Zeke should have got the MVP votes not Dak. That was all proven when the Cowboys struggled without Zeke but to be fair the offensive line injuries did not help matters.

It appears that some take the Dak/Wentz debate rather personal. I still think Wentz is better. However let's not get crazy here. It is not like Wentz is so far ahead that the discussion cannot be had. It is not like we are watching Manning/Leaf. Dak is going to be a stud. Yes he regressed last year but that is expected of everyone in the second year. They don't call it a sophmore slump for nothing. Wentz is the exception and got much better in year 2. This debate will go on for many years.

So right now the score card is simple.

Round one - Dak
Round two - Wentz
Round three - TBD.
The Cowboys didn't struggle because they didn't have Zeke. They struggled because the receiving core was below average and the coaching was sub-par on both sides of the ball. If losing one player(Sean Lee) affects your defense that much to the point it's terrible without him, that's a coaching and organizational issue. I guess that's why they drafted a LB in the first round this year.

The Cowboys still had a top rushing team last year with Zeke missing six games. Losing Tyron Smith hurt, but that's not an excuse for me. The problem was that Garrett and the coaching staff treated the loss of Tyron Smith as if it was nothing. As if he was easily replaceable. This is again a coaching and organizational issue. They didn't adjust to give extra protection to Dak's blindside and he was seeing ghosts. Then add the fact you have receivers that can't get open or the play calling isn't the least bit creative as it was the previous year, and it's easy to see why Dak didn't have much success in the air as the previous year. And in spite of Dak struggling, he still finished top 5 in total QBR for the second consecutive year. Don't know why the perception was that he "slumped" last year. I don't consider it a sophomore slump. I consider it more like a bump in the road season where he just didn't have much help. Kind of like Philip Rivers for the past umpteen seasons in San Diego. This isn't to say that Dak didn't put up stinkers last year, but I think people are blowing his performance last year way out of proportion. He wasn't the least bit bad and he sure didn't slump. If anything, it was the supporting cast that slumped. In Witten and Dez case, they took a big step back.
 

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I remember clearly reading many had Wentz over Dak. But no one now is saying Dak over Wentz.
What do Dak and Wentz have in common?

1. Neither have been the league MVP
2. Neither have won a SB

Just sayin
 

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I don’t mind you thinking Wentz is far superior but this is just false. You are too wrapped up in TD passes. Dak had a total QBR of 78.8 in 2016. Wentz total QBR last year was 74.4. Dak played 16 games and had fall off games. Wentz didn’t play enough to have fall off games. Philly had 9 rushing TDs last year yet were top 3 in rushing. Wentz vultured a lot of TDs from drives his run game set up. Dak didn’t have that luxury because he had Zeke getting TDs and aging weapons. Plus Dak ran for six himself which is part of his excellence.

Fine, if you think Wentz was better last year that’s cool, but don’t tell me it wasn’t close just because Wentz had a bunch of TD passes set up by exceptional play calling, good weapons, and the run game, especially when a case could be made that Dak was as good or better.

Wentz played 13 games and I agree with a lot you’re saying except a little. First of all QBR is an absolute joke unless you think Dalton is better then Brady. Part 2 is Wentz was absolutely phenomenal last year with jaw dropping plays weekly. Last year wasn’t close between Dak and Wentz. Wentz was probably going to win the MVP. Dak wasn’t in the top 50. That’s not close.
 

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Wentz wasn't going to win the MVP. That's your opinion. He got his knee destroyed and will likely never be the same.
 

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This thread has been on repeat forever. Get your troll schticks out of the way or make use of the ignore list.
 

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We honestly just need an NFC East Smack Talk thread.

Nothing wrong with rivalries. It'd probably be the most replied thread on the board.
 

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The Cowboys didn't struggle because they didn't have Zeke. They struggled because the receiving core was below average and the coaching was sub-par on both sides of the ball. If losing one player(Sean Lee) affects your defense that much to the point it's terrible without him, that's a coaching and organizational issue. I guess that's why they drafted a LB in the first round this year.

The Cowboys still had a top rushing team last year with Zeke missing six games. Losing Tyron Smith hurt, but that's not an excuse for me. The problem was that Garrett and the coaching staff treated the loss of Tyron Smith as if it was nothing. As if he was easily replaceable. This is again a coaching and organizational issue. They didn't adjust to give extra protection to Dak's blindside and he was seeing ghosts. Then add the fact you have receivers that can't get open or the play calling isn't the least bit creative as it was the previous year, and it's easy to see why Dak didn't have much success in the air as the previous year. And in spite of Dak struggling, he still finished top 5 in total QBR for the second consecutive year. Don't know why the perception was that he "slumped" last year. I don't consider it a sophomore slump. I consider it more like a bump in the road season where he just didn't have much help. Kind of like Philip Rivers for the past umpteen seasons in San Diego. This isn't to say that Dak didn't put up stinkers last year, but I think people are blowing his performance last year way out of proportion. He wasn't the least bit bad and he sure didn't slump. If anything, it was the supporting cast that slumped. In Witten and Dez case, they took a big step back.

I understand your argument. I disagree with it slightly but what you said does make sense.

The one thing I am 100% agreement with is the coaching comment you made and I that one part of the game is going to continually be the downfall of the Cowboys. Jerry Jones has arguably the biggest ego on the planet. I have heard somewhere that he does not make the football decisions but I personally call bullshit on that. Nothing gets done on the Cowboys without his approval putting his son in to act as his puppet does not change anything IMO.

Coaches on the Cowboys have no power. As long as the front office makes all of the decisions on the coaching staff the Cowboy will not win another SB IMO. A good coaching staff is just as important as players IMO just as you alluded to.
 

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We honestly just need an NFC East Smack Talk thread.

Nothing wrong with rivalries. It'd probably be the most replied thread on the board.

Probably 2 of the most active fan bases on this message board. I have always been of a mindset that if I don't want to be a part of somethign I just avoid the thread completely. No one forces any of us to read messages or reply to threads.
 

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2nd yo anything Patriots, at least until Brady retires.
I feel like its mostly run its course unless there is some sort of scandal that breaks out.

Who are the Patriots rivals right now? Whoever they play in the Super Bowl?
 

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I don’t know anything about his injury specifically but they said he might start week one but his mobility will be hindered until December and that’s a MAJOR part of his game. I expect him to struggle for a little bit this year cause he’s good in the pocket but incredible on the run. He will be slowed for at least 1/2 the season according to the Philly papers.

The kid has the work ethic of Peyton Manning. work-a-holic. First in the nova every day. Worked out all off-season. Study's film like crazy. People think he has perfect recall memory, but he says it's just a result of study. I would be more worried about his marriage than his ability to be a true franchise QB with some longevity.
 

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The kid has the work ethic of Peyton Manning. work-a-holic. First in the nova every day. Worked out all off-season. Study's film like crazy. People think he has perfect recall memory, but he says it's just a result of study. I would be more worried about his marriage than his ability to be a true franchise QB with some longevity.
No argument here.

I liked him in the draft. Not claiming I saw him as he was in 17, but before he shot up the boards he was my Dallas round 2 target. When he first hit top ten in round 1, I said I'll pass.
 

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Wentz played 13 games and I agree with a lot you’re saying except a little. First of all QBR is an absolute joke unless you think Dalton is better then Brady. Part 2 is Wentz was absolutely phenomenal last year with jaw dropping plays weekly. Last year wasn’t close between Dak and Wentz. Wentz was probably going to win the MVP. Dak wasn’t in the top 50. That’s not close.
Total QBR, the one ESPN introduced recently. Dak has been top 5 two years in a row along with Brady. Wentz was #1 last year. Dak was 4th. Dak's struggles last year are greatly exaggerated. Dak was much closer to Wentz last year than Wentz was to Dak in 16.

NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN
 
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Total QBR, the one ESPN introduced recently. Dak has been top 5 two years in a row along with Brady. Wentz was #1 last year. Dak was 4th. Dak's struggles last year are greatly exaggerated. Dak was much closer to Wentz last year than Wentz was to Dak in 16.

NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN

I really have to disagree with that my man. Dak wasn’t close to being MVP.

I do agree Dak is a good QB and I do think they play similarly this year cause of Wentz injury but I still think Wentz winds up being a lot better.
 
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I really have to disagree with that my man. Dak wasn’t close to being MVP.

I do agree Dak is a good QB and I do think they play similarly this year cause of Wentz injury but I still think Wentz winds up being a lot better.
Of course Dak wasn't close to MVP last year. His team was 9-7. But that's not the point. You aren't reading what I'm saying. I'm tired of arguing this. Won't go over it again.
 

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Total QBR, the one ESPN introduced recently. Dak has been top 5 two years in a row along with Brady. Wentz was #1 last year. Dak was 4th. Dak's struggles last year are greatly exaggerated. Dak was much closer to Wentz last year than Wentz was to Dak in 16.

NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN

I personally think QBR is a good measuring tool for QB's IMO. I just don't think it accurately measures the true ability of the play as a QB. I think too much weight is given for QB's with big rushing numbers. Don't get me wrong I do think it is something that should be measured but the amount of points given to QB's like Dak, Wilson , Cam, Mariota ranks them higher than they should be IMO. Now I am not saying that these are not good QB's I just feel that non-mobile QB's are punished for not getting rushing yards. Take Jared Goff for instance. There is no way he was the #16th ranked QB last year based on performance. Drew Brees ranked at #9 is laughable IMO. I don't think Wentz and Keenum should be 1-2 I think Brady and Brees outperformed both of them.
 
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