Imagine if Kawhi's name were Russell Westbrook right about now...

WiggyRuss · Jun 21, 2018

shopson67 said:
His doctors disagreed with the Spurs doctors and said he came back too early and wasn't ready.

As far as it being someone else, didn't Kyrie basically do the same thing last offseason? But because it involved Lebron and the Cavs, everyone either pointed and laughed or sided with Kyrie.

who the hell sided with Kyrie?

and it only came out months later that Kyrie was crying and whining and threatening to sit out.

Heatles84 · Jun 21, 2018

fordman84 said:
I'd rather see a rule that creates a medical arbitration board, and if that board of 3rd party doctors agree you are fit to play and you still don't then your contract gets paused.

That would also include players who choose to sit out in order to force a trade. Fine, sit on the bench or sit at home. You won't get paid and your contract doesn't progress. You signed it, you play for it. If the team cuts you then you still get your money (unless you agree to a lower buy out rate), so why shouldn't the player be forced to honor his contract as well?

I agree with this as well.

It is shitty on Kawhi's part that he's not honoring his contract with the Spurs in terms of the last year. And yes, your solution on having a 3rd party medical review is probably the better way to go. The reason I like what George did last year is that he gave the Pacers a full year's notice that he wasn't going to re-sign with them when he was a free agent. At no point did you hear about him not wanting to play his final year in Indiana; basically he said do with me as you wish, but I'm not playing here after next season.

I think both parties share an equal amount of blame. Kawhi should've been better at communication with the Spurs as far as public perception goes, we don't know what went on behind the scenes. But the Spurs should've held off on publicly shaming Kawhi. If it weren't for Manu and more specifically, Parker's comments, the Spurs would've been completely free of blame. But they gave Kawhi and out.

Heatles84 · Jun 21, 2018

flyerhawk said:
The problem is that it is trivially easy to dodge it. Kawhi hasn't said anything yet. He let's someone from his posse say it. Thus plausible deniability.

I think we can all agree that it's basically coming from his uncle, whom as I understand is acting as his agent now. That should be included as well that if your agent (who's acting on your behalf) pulls this type of shit, it's the same as you (the player) doing it. It would never go through the CBA negotiation process, but it completely fucks over the team. I can understand why Spurs fans are mad. Because although Parker's comments were completely out of line and gives Kawhi an excuse to leave. It's shitty because Kawhi was already looking for a way to get out of San Antonio.

shopson67 · Jun 21, 2018

flyerhawk said:
Kyrie didn't leak to the press that he would only sign with one specific team.

No, but George did. This isn't unprecedented. It's only being considered a big issue because it's the Spurs, who have managed to keep any player issues under wraps for the past 20 years.

flyerhawk · Jun 21, 2018

shopson67 said:
No, but George did. This isn't unprecedented. It's only being considered a big issue because it's the Spurs, who have managed to keep any player issues under wraps for the past 20 years.

It's a big issue because Kawhi is a top 5 player in the draft and essentially did a self-induced medical red shirt last season.

Paul George is a really good player but more of a top 15-20 player than a top 5 player team changing player.

shopson67 · Jun 21, 2018

flyerhawk said:
It's a big issue because Kawhi is a top 5 player in the draft and essentially did a self-induced medical red shirt last season.

Paul George is a really good player but more of a top 15-20 player than a top 5 player team changing player.

You're assuming he wasn't really injured, which is a difference of opinion between two sets of doctors.

As far as top 5 or top 20, the vast majority of the league would love to have either. Your ability shouldn't change the restrictions as to what moves you can make to change teams.

flyerhawk · Jun 21, 2018

shopson67 said:
You're assuming he wasn't really injured, which is a difference of opinion between two sets of doctors.

As far as top 5 or top 20, the vast majority of the league would love to have either. Your ability shouldn't change the restrictions as to what moves you can make to change teams.

We were talking about why it was such a big deal news wise. I am making no comment on whether he was or was not legitimately injured.

Not sure what your 2nd sentence is arguing. Paul George was shitty for saying that he would only go to OKC. Carmelo Anthony was shitty when he said he would only go to the Knicks. Kawhi Leonard is being shitty by saying he will only go to LA. I don't think that is proper, and I tend to side with players on these sorts of issues.

shopson67 · Jun 21, 2018

flyerhawk said:
We were talking about why it was such a big deal news wise. I am making no comment on whether he was or was not legitimately injured.

Not sure what your 2nd sentence is arguing. Paul George was shitty for saying that he would only go to OKC. Carmelo Anthony was shitty when he said he would only go to the Knicks. Kawhi Leonard is being shitty by saying he will only go to LA. I don't think that is proper, and I tend to side with players on these sorts of issues.

Again, none of that second paragraph is true. Paul George said he preferred to go to the Lakers, and was traded to OKC with no guarantee to re-sign. Kawhi is saying he won't commit to re-signing with anyone other than the Lakers (through his agent, not directly). These guys will be free agents at that point and can do whatever they want at that point. Should they instead stay quiet and leave their new teams in a lurch when they opt out and leave?

As far as Melo goes, I don't remember the circumstances, other than the Knicks were incredibly stupid to trade for him mid-season when they could've had him as a free agent that summer without giving up any trade pieces.

DJ · Jun 21, 2018

HurricaneDij39 said:
...And all the hate he'd be receiving for his recent antics.

Trade his ass to Atlanta for Kent Bazemore and a 2nd round pick. Make him spend a year of his prime in a hapless situation. I wish some teams had the balls to do this with their malcontent problem child...And it also sends a reminder of just how fortunate the Pacers were to get Oladipo and Sabonis when they did.

As for Westbrook himself, he should be given all the credit in the world for having the balls to commit his entire career to one franchise. And I'm not even an OKC fan...

Yeah, trade him for waaaaaaaaaaay less than what they could get from other teams.....

LOL

DJ · Jun 21, 2018

flyerhawk said:
I have no problem with Kawhi choosing to sit out the season if he believes that his injury has not recovered. It's his body.

BOOM.

Franchises do what is in their best interest all the time.

Players can't?

DJ · Jun 21, 2018

shopson67 said:
You're assuming he wasn't really injured, which is a difference of opinion between two sets of doctors.

As far as top 5 or top 20, the vast majority of the league would love to have either. Your ability shouldn't change the restrictions as to what moves you can make to change teams.

Everybody on tHoop is a doctor.

You didn't know?

flyerhawk · Jun 21, 2018

shopson67 said:
Again, none of that second paragraph is true. Paul George said he preferred to go to the Lakers, and was traded to OKC with no guarantee to re-sign. Kawhi is saying he won't commit to re-signing with anyone other than the Lakers (through his agent, not directly). These guys will be free agents at that point and can do whatever they want at that point. Should they instead stay quiet and leave their new teams in a lurch when they opt out and leave?

As far as Melo goes, I don't remember the circumstances, other than the Knicks were incredibly stupid to trade for him mid-season when they could've had him as a free agent that summer without giving up any trade pieces.

I meant to say LA with regards to Paul George.

shopson67 · Jun 21, 2018

flyerhawk said:
I meant to say LA with regards to Paul George.

I know, I didn't dwell on that point.

Shanemansj13 · Jun 21, 2018

HurricaneDij39 said:
...And all the hate he'd be receiving for his recent antics.

In all seriousness, this whole situation has dragged on far too long and is frankly not making me hate Paul George so much anymore. The shit Kawhi has put Gregg Popovich through in a year in which his wife passed is absolutely despicable.

Trade his ass to Atlanta for Kent Bazemore and a 2nd round pick. Make him spend a year of his prime in a hapless situation. I wish some teams had the balls to do this with their malcontent problem child...And it also sends a reminder of just how fortunate the Pacers were to get Oladipo and Sabonis when they did.

As for Westbrook himself, he should be given all the credit in the world for having the balls to commit his entire career to one franchise. And I'm not even an OKC fan...

Well I would wait until this all filters out. I mean what if he stays in San Antonio, it means all of this is exaggerrated...just sayin

trojanfan12 · Jun 21, 2018

flyerhawk said:
Where I DO have a problem is with him making it public that he wants to leave and that he plans to sign with LA when his contract expires. That's shitty. It was shitty when George did as well.

I disagree here. I'd rather have a guy be honest about his intentions.

I'd much rather have that than give up a bunch of assets and then find out he was a 1 year rental and had no intention of staying.

flyerhawk · Jun 21, 2018

trojanfan12 said:
I disagree here. I'd rather have a guy be honest about his intentions.

Not if your team has control of the player.

I'd much rather have that than give up a bunch of assets and then find out he was a 1 year rental and had no intention of staying.

The team with control of the player would likely have to accept a deal with the player's preferred team regardless or deal with a lot of bad blood later on. But if that team didn't know that they were the preferred destination the team would be able to negotiate a much better deal.

WiggyRuss · Jun 21, 2018

trojanfan12 said:
I disagree here. I'd rather have a guy be honest about his intentions.

I'd much rather have that than give up a bunch of assets and then find out he was a 1 year rental and had no intention of staying.

honesty is good with me too since at least they can recoup something

dogging it and whining and babying an injury to leverage your team is something entirely different

trojanfan12 · Jun 21, 2018

flyerhawk said:
The team with control of the player would likely have to accept a deal with the player's preferred team regardless or deal with a lot of bad blood later on. But if that team didn't know that they were the preferred destination the team would be able to negotiate a much better deal.

What bad blood if they are dealing him?

WiggyRuss said:
honesty is good with me too since at least they can recoup something

Exactly. Either way, some team is getting screwed. Either it's the team the guy is leaving because it drives down the price by limiting the teams that they can negotiate with.

But, as you say, they still get something for him.

Or it's the team that is unknowingly getting a 1 year rental. They are the ones that get screwed worse, imo.

WiggyRuss said:
dogging it and whining and babying an injury to leverage your team is something entirely different

To be fair to Kawhi, based on what we've heard, it's a difference of opinion between the teams doctors and Kawhi's doctors. If he was truly dogging it and babying the injury, then I agree, that's some bullshit. But as of now, we don't know.

Now, what Kyrie did to the Cavs was bullshit. Threatening to have surgery unless they trade you? That was just wrong. The Cavs deserved better treatment from him than that.

flyerhawk · Jun 21, 2018

trojanfan12 said:
What bad blood if they are dealing him?

Bad blood with the other team.

Niner Outlaw · Jun 21, 2018

wildturkey said:
Sure does suck seeing players wanting a say in their own career and lives. /s

Sure does suck seeing players bitching about rules they knew of and agreed to.

Imagine if Kawhi's name were Russell Westbrook right about now...

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