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Kawhi wants out of San Antonio

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This history isn't in dispute... I again concede it. Here are my two counter-points, though:

1.) The NBA game has evolved, and up until very recently it wasn't really possible to floor 4 to 5 guys for long stretches of time who are legitimate triple threats on offense. GS and Boston are arguably the top 2 teams on the cutting edge of this phenomenon. So it's not like this 'positionless basketball' hocus pocus has been tested and found wanting in the face of traditional wisdom... this is new, and not necessarily subject to the old rules. We'll see, of course.

2.) Stevens and Ainge have been working towards a wing heavy, versatile and interchangeable team for years... so my optimism about next season isn't as homerish as it might seem... IMO, anyways. What I mean is, it's not too soon... it's not only one good playoff run... this is an idea that has been in motion and years deep.

Again, the difference is that the Warriors have an MVP level player. Two in fact. And 4 players that have made the multiple All-NBA squads.

The entire Celtics squad has 2 All-NBA awards. And Horford's was 7 years ago.

It's possible that Tatum and/or Brown become elite players. But you are asking a lot to expect that next year.

Arguing that the Celtics have reinvented basketball is a dubious argument.

The Celtics are going to be very good next year. But revolutionary is asking a lot.
 

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That would be really nasty.

And that is why I say Ainge should be aggressive here and try to get this done.

I think any deal with Kyrie would need to be kept so super quiet of he could lose out on both.
 

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Kawhi isn't a free agent so he has absolutely zero leverage on where he's traded. Spurs have to think about THEIR future, not his.

and honestly is he really part of theirs? I mean he gets hurt, "I'm injured for no reason" and played what 18 games last season? If they get a good package then see you later, regardless of the team
 

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Clippers willing to offer Harris, the 12th and 13th for Kawhi
 

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They likely won't have a choice if Kawhi speaks up and says he won't resign anywhere but the Lakers. That would dramatically cut the trade value of the other teams bringing LA's offer up to the top of the list. They could still ignore it and trade him elsewhere out of spite, but I'm of the belief a team should make a trade that gives them the best return no matter what. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a Lakers fan. Hell, as of right now where things stand, I don't think LA has the best offer so I'd encourage them to make a deal elsewhere.
 

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They likely won't have a choice if Kawhi speaks up and says he won't resign anywhere but the Lakers. That would dramatically cut the trade value of the other teams bringing LA's offer up to the top of the list. They could still ignore it and trade him elsewhere out of spite, but I'm of the belief a team should make a trade that gives them the best return no matter what. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a Lakers fan. Hell, as of right now where things stand, I don't think LA has the best offer so I'd encourage them to make a deal elsewherei.

Exactly. Obviously, the Spurs have no interest in helping a Western Conference team, especially the Lakers.

But the Spurs haven't maintained being arguably the smartest, best run franchise in the league for the past 20 years by not doing what is in their best interest long term.

It would take some cooperation from Kawhi by him doing what you said and saying he's not re-signing with anyone but the Lakers. But if it turns out that the Lakers have the best offer, I expect that the Spurs would hold their nose and accept it.

Especially if they involve a 3rd team so the Spurs don't have to feel like they just handed Kawhi over. lol
 

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Former Cleveland Cavaliers general manager David Griffin says not so fast when it comes to the San Antonio Spurs trading Kawhi Leonard.

Appearing on his SiriusXM NBA Radio show, Griffin said despite the rampant rumors of Leonard wanting out of San Antonio and the team exploring options, until the two-time All-Star has a conversation with Spurs coach Gregg Popovich and general manager R.C. Buford, none of the chatter matters.

“San Antonio is not into media frenzy. Until they have a conversation with Kawhi Leonard and he looks Coach Popovich and R.C. Buford in the eye and says, ‘Guys, I want out,’ none of this means anything. It really doesn’t,” Griffin said. “It’s a lot of fun to talk about. It’s a fascinating story. It’s wonderful, in some ways, that they’re now part of that media frenzy.
 

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Former Cleveland Cavaliers general manager David Griffin says not so fast when it comes to the San Antonio Spurs trading Kawhi Leonard.

Appearing on his SiriusXM NBA Radio show, Griffin said despite the rampant rumors of Leonard wanting out of San Antonio and the team exploring options, until the two-time All-Star has a conversation with Spurs coach Gregg Popovich and general manager R.C. Buford, none of the chatter matters.

“San Antonio is not into media frenzy. Until they have a conversation with Kawhi Leonard and he looks Coach Popovich and R.C. Buford in the eye and says, ‘Guys, I want out,’ none of this means anything. It really doesn’t,” Griffin said. “It’s a lot of fun to talk about. It’s a fascinating story. It’s wonderful, in some ways, that they’re now part of that media frenzy.

This isn't anything that hasn't already been said multiple times on here. Until Kawhi, Pop and Buford all meet...none of this means anything.
 

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Former Cleveland Cavaliers general manager David Griffin says not so fast when it comes to the San Antonio Spurs trading Kawhi Leonard.

Appearing on his SiriusXM NBA Radio show, Griffin said despite the rampant rumors of Leonard wanting out of San Antonio and the team exploring options, until the two-time All-Star has a conversation with Spurs coach Gregg Popovich and general manager R.C. Buford, none of the chatter matters.

“San Antonio is not into media frenzy. Until they have a conversation with Kawhi Leonard and he looks Coach Popovich and R.C. Buford in the eye and says, ‘Guys, I want out,’ none of this means anything. It really doesn’t,” Griffin said. “It’s a lot of fun to talk about. It’s a fascinating story. It’s wonderful, in some ways, that they’re now part of that media frenzy.

Yet you have speculated that if the Cavs could get him (not happening).....James would stay.

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The problem with Boston and Kawhi is money.

No team can carry 4 max players.

Boston already has Horford on a max, Hayward on a max, and Kyrie on a max.

Kyrie or Hayward or Horford would HAVE to go out in a deal.

Not only that- but they have to be cognizant of the fact that at some point Brown, Rozier, and Tatum will be up for new contracts. No time soon for Tatum- but as i said- 4 max guys is just not feasible under the current CBA.

Its why if Boston does step up and make an offer- Kyrie or Horford basically HAVE to be in the deal.

for the Sixers its not much of an issue since they dont have guys on those deals yet- and only Simmons and Embiid will garner those type of deals. They still have a slot for a 3rd max guy.


its basically why the Warriors are not operating on borrowed time.....having 4 max guys is practically impossible unless they take significant discounts. A "max" is roughly 30-35% of the cap depending on status, years in the league, whether yo uare a "Rose Rule" guy etc.....

you cant have 4 guys making 30%-35% of the cap- PLUS the rest of your team is whawt it comes down to.

 
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Love and the #8 pick won't do it?

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