The Netflix thread

Omar 382 · Apr 24, 2018

ill said:
I disagree with you on everything in this post, but other than that, excellent post.

Essentially, you don't know if antidepressants work or not for everyone. Your blanket statement lacks any kind of proof.

Jesus Christ, you're probably one of those idiots who believes in the chemical imbalance theory. Do you like being so wrong about things you know nothing about?

article said:
Since then, the research and controversy has seesawed back and forth. Cochrane Collaboration research in 2009, from the found that SSRIs and TCAs were effective in 1 in 7 patients, at best.

article said:
A large systematic review published in JAMA Psychiatry in October 2017 analyzed the results of 17 studies, which included 6,778 children and teens with depression, anxiety, OCD, and PTSD. The reviewers’ conclusion: “SSRIs and SNRIs are more effective than placebo; however, the effect is small and disorder-specific, yielding a larger effect for anxiety disorder than for other conditions. Response to placebo is large, especially in depression. Serious adverse events are significantly more common in SSRIs and SNRIs than placebo.”

article said:
The consensus seems to be that around 40 to 50 percent of individuals do not improve on antidepressants, and antidepressants are slightly more effective than placebo in treating depression.

Do Antidepressants Really Work?

The majority of people who are helped by antidepressants (which is the minority of people who take the medicine) only see their benefits due to the placebo effect. Take that away, there's no improvement. A very small portion of people are truly helped by SSRI's/SNRI's.

When you waste a shit-ton of money, get no help, get awful side effects, and are unable to quit them due to horrendous withdrawal effects, you can tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Until then, shut the fuck up.

FaCe-LeE-uS · Apr 24, 2018

calsnowskier said:
The phrase “Fast and Furious” appears FIVE times in that tweet. There are a total of 43 words in that tweet. “Fast and Furious” accounts for 1/3 of the total words.

Not necessarily wrong, it just really jumped out to me...

Well when life gets fast & furious and you're suddenly down for some Fast and Furious then you gotta be fast and furious about getting that Fast and Furious fix.

I crammed 3 in 1 sentence... Take that Netflix

chf · Apr 24, 2018

Omar 382 said:
Good post. The only thing I hate about depression is that "anti-depressant's" don't do shit then give you awful side effects when the depression eventually goes away. If they helped you, congrats, but you're in the minority there.

Other than that, excellent post.

Well some people spend YEARS trying to find a medication that works for them. If they DON'T find one, guess what happens?

For SOME PEOPLE medication doesn't work. Saying that it doesn't work for anybody is highly irresponsible, and I'd encourage you to put a cork in that message.

chf · Apr 24, 2018

Omar 382 said:
Until then, shut the fuck up.

Except other than saying it in an assholish way, he's right. YOU don't know what's best for everybody either. ARE SSRI's overprescribed? Absofuckinglutely! Should they be way LESS prescribed? Absofuckinglutely. Are there people who are only alive because of drugs? Abso....

Well you get where I'm going with that.

Don't play a doctor on the internet. Don't make blanket statements. If you want to CAUTION people to do their homework? Rock on.

But don't play God.

Omar 382 · Apr 24, 2018

chf said:
Except other than saying it in an assholish way, he's right. YOU don't know what's best for everybody either. ARE SSRI's overprescribed? Absofuckinglutely! Should they be way LESS prescribed? Absofuckinglutely. Are there people who are only alive because of drugs? Abso....

Well you get where I'm going with that.

Don't play a doctor on the internet. Don't make blanket statements. If you want to CAUTION people to do their homework? Rock on.

But don't play God.

Where did I ever say that NO ONE should take these drugs? Just stop. You have to build a straw man to attack me. I specifically said, if they help you, power to 'ya, but for most people they do nothing. Which is substantiated by research.

chf · Apr 24, 2018

You know I CAN go back and re-read what you wrote, and repost it, right?

Here's EXACTLY what you said.

Omar said:
The only thing I hate about depression is that "anti-depressant's" don't do shit then give you awful side effects when the depression eventually goes away.

ill · Apr 25, 2018

chf said:
Well some people spend YEARS trying to find a medication that works for them. If they DON'T find one, guess what happens?

For SOME PEOPLE medication doesn't work. Saying that it doesn't work for anybody is highly irresponsible, and I'd encourage you to put a cork in that message.

too late, he went full idiot on it. He is the expert, don't ya know.

ill · Apr 25, 2018

chf said:
Except other than saying it in an assholish way, he's right. YOU don't know what's best for everybody either. ARE SSRI's overprescribed? Absofuckinglutely! Should they be way LESS prescribed? Absofuckinglutely. Are there people who are only alive because of drugs? Abso....

Well you get where I'm going with that.

Don't play a doctor on the internet. Don't make blanket statements. If you want to CAUTION people to do their homework? Rock on.

But don't play God.

He is able to google it and post an article! He knows everything!

He goes and says antidepressant drugs don't work but then goes and says they work for some people. Then he says that is just a placebo effect and it has nothing to do with the actual drugs.

He is just a college kid who thinks he has a clue.

Omar 382 · Apr 25, 2018

chf said:
You know I CAN go back and re-read what you wrote, and repost it, right?

Here's EXACTLY what you said.

Right, I did say that they don't do shit. For a lot of people, the majority, that is a factually true statement. Now, tell me where I said this? Because you did write that I said this, right?

chf said:
Saying that it doesn't work for anybody is highly irresponsible, and I'd encourage you to put a cork in that message.

And where did I say this?

chf said:
YOU don't know what's best for everybody either.

Omar 382 · Apr 25, 2018

Heh, you don't move in lockstep with psychiatry's bullshit, their minions get mad. Make a factual statement that for a LARGE AMOUNT of people, SSRI's don't do shit and have awful side effects, back it up with research, and all of a sudden you're "playing God" or "just a college kid without a clue."

The saddest part is @ill's virtue signaling is hurting the very people he claims to want to help.

Omar 382 · Apr 25, 2018

ill said:
He is able to google it and post an article! He knows everything!

He goes and says antidepressant drugs don't work but then goes and says they work for some people. Then he says that is just a placebo effect and it has nothing to do with the actual drugs.

He is just a college kid who thinks he has a clue.

You're not worth my time. I'll just respond to chf from here on out. Though he's misguided on this issue, he's at least not full blown Asperger's when you try to have a rational discussion with him.

ill · Apr 25, 2018

Omar 382 said:
Heh, you don't move in lockstep with psychiatry's bullshit, their minions get mad. Make a factual statement that for a LARGE AMOUNT of people, SSRI's don't do shit and have awful side effects, back it up with research, and all of a sudden you're "playing God" or "just a college kid without a clue."

The saddest part is @ill's virtue signaling is hurting the very people he claims to want to help.

I'm virtue signalling?

I'm just calling your bullshit, dude. You are talking out of your ass.

Omar 382 · Apr 25, 2018

ill said:
I'm virtue signalling?

I'm just calling your bullshit, dude. You are talking out of your ass.

Dude, I literally posted a fucking article talking about SSRI's lack of efficacy. There's dozens, hundreds of them online. Do you even know what an SSRI is? Please tell me.

Fuck, right when you're out, the Asperger kid pulls you right back in.

ill · Apr 25, 2018

Omar 382 said:
Dude, I literally posted a fucking article talking about SSRI's lack of efficacy. There's dozens, hundreds of them online. Do you even know what an SSRI is? Please tell me.

Fuck, right when you're out, the Asperger kid pulls you right back in.

stick to your guns, kiddo. If you say you aren't responding to me anymore, don't respond.

Just keep talking out of your ass.

Yes, psychology and mental health isn't an exact science and it is difficult to nail down what meds work for what person, but to say it doesn't work...but sometimes it works...but sometimes it's just a placebo effect, is you just talking to hear yourself talk.

Omar 382 · Apr 25, 2018

ill said:
stick to your guns, kiddo. If you say you aren't responding to me anymore, don't respond.

Just keep talking out of your ass.

Yes, psychology and mental health isn't an exact science and it is difficult to nail down what meds work for what person, but to say it doesn't work...but sometimes it works...but sometimes it's just a placebo effect, is you just talking to hear yourself talk.

No, that's called "facts." (Whatever "facts" are.)

ill · Apr 25, 2018

Omar 382 said:
No, that's called "facts." (Whatever "facts" are.)

yet there are plenty of studies that say they DO work, so you can post all you want from one side saying they don't while there are plenty of people who rely on antidepressant meds and plenty of studies that say they do work.

Omar 382 · Apr 25, 2018

ill said:
stick to your guns, kiddo. If you say you aren't responding to me anymore, don't respond.

Just keep talking out of your ass.

Yes, psychology and mental health isn't an exact science and it is difficult to nail down what meds work for what person, but to say it doesn't work...but sometimes it works...but sometimes it's just a placebo effect, is you just talking to hear yourself talk.

So, you don't know what an SSRI is? Well, did you know that some antidepressants are SSRI's, meaning that they are agonists at different serotonin receptors. There's also a group of antidepressants called SARI's (Serotonin antagonist and reuptake inhibitor), meaning that they antagonize different serotonin receptors. Trazodone is an SARI.

Do you see the problem with this? "We have no clue if these drugs will work for you, in fact they don't work for the majority of people. But, here take this one that will increase (in laymen's terms) your serotonin levels, and if that doesn't work, here's one that will decrease them! What, that's contradictory? Does more or less serotonin help people? I don't fucking know, now give me my money!"

Omar 382 · Apr 25, 2018

ill said:
yet there are plenty of studies that say they DO work, so you can post all you want from one side saying they don't while there are plenty of people who rely on antidepressant meds and plenty of studies that say they do work.

Plenty of studies note that they work for SOME people. Which I never refuted.

Even the most Pfizer-subsidized study won't show SSRI's helping more than 60% of people who take them. And considering that 33% of people, ALL PEOPLE, will show improvements in their depression when taking a sugar pill (so long as they don't know it's a sugar pill), the percentage of people that are TRULY helped by SSRI's/SNRI's goes down even further.

Omar 382 · Apr 25, 2018

ill said:
plenty of people who rely on antidepressant meds

That's called an addiction. Or, as the APA likes to call it, "physical and psychological dependence."

And yes, I'm one of those people. Luvox 300 mg a day. I'm fucked for life.

Omar 382 · Apr 25, 2018

I love when the drug companies say that SSRI's take 4-6 weeks to take effect, despite serotonin levels being affected in 1-2 days.

Really clever, actually. Conflate your drugs with the natural passage of time, and when things get better- hey, who's to say what really helped what?

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