Series Thread: 6) Miami Heat vs. 3) Philadelphia 76ers

[TurnUpTheHeat]

there was no one worth it to use the pick on at that time of the trade deadline was the problem.

Deandre Jordan is the only one that would have been even a semi-reasonable option- and the guy is a FA at the end of the season so it made zero sense.

Also, at the time the pick looked like it might even be worse position than 8. They will at least wait to see if the pick jumps up into the top 3 before giving up the asset for pennies on the dollar.

That's an assumption, because we have no idea who or what might have been in play if the Cavs were actively shopping the pick.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

???

The Sixers were awful prior to them actually tanking. They gave up a guy coming off an all-star season(Iggy) and 2 promising young players(Vucevic and Harkless) for a player that never played a second with the Sixers. The Sixers were gifted the #2 pick in the 2010 draft and took Turner. Hindsight's always 20/20, but Cousins, Hayward and Paul George were all taken later. The year before they started tanking the Sixers won 34 games, it's actually quite remarkable considering the roster they had. But at that point they had one viable asset in Jrue Holiday. The tank started at the draft in 2013 with his trading. 4 years of tanking is WELL worth it considering how bright the future looks and how awful the Sixers have been since the late 80's. I mean this is ONLY the Sixers 3rd 50 wins season since 1990.

I agree.
The question to me from @WiggyRuss was relating to the Heat.

 

[WiggyRuss]

That's an assumption, because we have no idea who or what might have been in play if the Cavs were actively shopping the pick.

its just commons sense if you look around the league.

DeAndre Jordan was going to be a free agent. It made no sense to trade for him.

Now, after the playoffs, there might be quite a few guys that were not available during the season, like a McCollum, that will be avaliable this summer- or maybe Marc Gasol becomes avaliable over the summer as he was not avaliable during the trade deadline, or a Kemba Walker plus more or maybe even Wiggins who was not avaliable during the regular season.

and if the Cavs get lucky and get into the top 3- the value explodes and becomes a winning powerball ticket and maybe even a guy like a Wall or a Kawhi becomes a possibility.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

its just commons sense if you look around the league.

DeAndre Jordan was going to be a free agent. It made no sense to trade for him.

Now, after the playoffs, there might be quite a few guys that were not available during the season, like a McCollum, that will be avaliable this summer- or maybe Marc Gasol becomes avaliable over the summer as he was not avaliable during the trade deadline, or a Kemba Walker plus more or maybe even Wiggins who was not avaliable during the regular season.

and if the Cavs get lucky and get into the top 3- the value explodes and becomes a winning powerball ticket and maybe even a guy like a Wall or a Kawhi becomes a possibility.

Again, how do you know who was possibly available?
There is no way to know.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Again, how do you know who was possibly available?
There is no way to know.

how about reading? looking at payrolls, seeing which teams are in it out of it....etc....like McCollum is the perfect example--- there is NO WAY they would trade him during a season where they ended up being the 3 seed---- but after being swept out of the playoffs that option is definitely out there now.

Its just common sense if you actually follow the league-and just not show up to your seats half the time

I can just as easilyy say "how do you know there was anyone worth it? how do you know who was possibly avaliable?

 

[knowyourenemy]

how about reading? looking at payrolls, seeing which teams are in it out of it....etc....like McCollum is the perfect example--- there is NO WAY they would trade him during a season where they ended up being the 3 seed---- but after being swept out of the playoffs that option is definitely out there now.

Its just common sense if you actually follow the league-and just not show up to your seats half the time

I can just as easilyy say "how do you know there was anyone worth it? how do you know who was possibly avaliable?

If we’re going off that, it seems likely that more than just DJ was available.

 

[flyerhawk]

how about reading? looking at payrolls, seeing which teams are in it out of it....etc....like McCollum is the perfect example--- there is NO WAY they would trade him during a season where they ended up being the 3 seed---- but after being swept out of the playoffs that option is definitely out there now.

Its just common sense if you actually follow the league-and just not show up to your seats half the time

I can just as easilyy say "how do you know there was anyone worth it? how do you know who was possibly avaliable?

Tyreke Evans could have been traded for. And they could have given up a future 1st for him and kept the lottery pick.

 

[WiggyRuss]

If we’re going off that, it seems likely that more than just DJ was available.

who would that be?

 

[Mecca]

so just to be clear- you would prefer years of mediocrity rather than endure years of losing to have a chance at actually winning something?

Slippery slope if you don't have proper talent evaluation in your front office.

The Suns look to have scored with Booker and Jackson.

....on a side note, outside of Donovan Mitchell, did any rookie improve more in the second half of the Season than Jackson?

But, look at all the rest of their youth....

Len....bust.

Ulis....midget.

Chriss......his head ain't right.

Bender......not giving up on him yet.

Warren....chronically broken.

Brandon Knight....does anyone remember he used to be good with the Bucks?

These guys have had multiple 40 point ass whoopings.

Yes, their whole outlook changes if they get Ayton or Doncic....

If they don't?

$3.00 resale tickets after December.

 

[knowyourenemy]

who would that be?

You looking exclusively at centers or including other positions?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Tyreke Evans could have been traded for. And they could have given up a future 1st for him and kept the lottery pick.

lol....we were talking about the Brooklyn pick and guys that would have been avaliable for it. Surely you were not suggesting they trade the Brooklyn pick for Tyreke Evans? lol

As for a 1st rounder for Evans---- I think the Cavs did a much better job getting Nance Jr. and Clarkson for their late first rounder, then just a couple months of Tyreke Evans--- a guy no other team was willing to give up a 1st for either.

 

[Mecca]

how about reading? looking at payrolls, seeing which teams are in it out of it....etc....like McCollum is the perfect example--- there is NO WAY they would trade him during a season where they ended up being the 3 seed---- but after being swept out of the playoffs that option is definitely out there now.

Its just common sense if you actually follow the league-and just not show up to your seats half the time

I can just as easilyy say "how do you know there was anyone worth it? how do you know who was possibly avaliable?

Solid point.

I think Portland will be open for business this Summer in the same way that Boston was the last.

They are False God's.

So, if a deal presents itself, I think CJ will be on the table.

Depending on the price tag, I'm not paying Nurkic.

 

[WiggyRuss]

You looking exclusively at centers or including other positions?

anyone that would have been worth trading a lotto pick in a loaded draft for.

And no- i dont think DJ- a guy who could walk out the door in 3 months, was remotely even close to worth it.

Anyone else you could suggest?

 

[Mecca]

lol....we were talking about the Brooklyn pick and guys that would have been avaliable for it. Surely you were not suggesting they trade the Brooklyn pick for Tyreke Evans? lol

As for a 1st rounder for Evans---- I think the Cavs did a much better job getting Nance Jr. and Clarkson for their late first rounder, then just a couple months of Tyreke Evans--- a guy no other team was willing to give up a 1st for either.

Lol....hell no.

Deandre would have helped.

But, he wouldn't get you a chip.

They did the right thing holding on to that pick....imo

The worst guy that could be available at that pick is Mikal Bridges.

That is a win.

 

[flyerhawk]

anyone that would have been worth trading a lotto pick in a loaded draft for.

And no- i dont think DJ- a guy who could walk out the door in 3 months, was remotely even close to worth it.

Anyone else you could suggest?

Did Cleveland even dangle that the lottery pick was available?

 

[flyerhawk]

Lol....hell no.

Deandre would have helped.

But, he wouldn't get you a chip.

They did the right thing holding on to that pick....imo

The worst guy that could be available at that pick is Mikal Bridges.

That is a win.

Well the question about trading the lottery pick is in relation to keeping Lebron.

Would Marvin Bagley put the Cavs team over the top as a title challenger? Probably not. Will Lebron really care if they draft Marvin Bagley? Probably not.

 

[knowyourenemy]

anyone that would have been worth trading a lotto pick in a loaded draft for.

And no- i dont think DJ- a guy who could walk out the door in 3 months, was remotely even close to worth it.

Anyone else you could suggest?

Kemba Walker was rumored to be available. And Cleveland was rumored to be interested. But a deal didn’t get done.

 

[Mecca]

Well the question about trading the lottery pick is in relation to keeping Lebron.

Would Marvin Bagley put the Cavs team over the top as a title challenger? Probably not. Will Lebron really care if they draft Marvin Bagley? Probably not.

Oh, totally agree with you there.

But.......

At some point, the Cavs have to do what's in the best interest of their team, not just LeBron.

There wasn't anyone available to put them above Houston or the Warriors.

So, not trading was the right decision.

 

[Mecca]

@WiggyRuss....

The Browns aren't really taking Mayfield #1, right?

They should take Barkley first and whomever is left of Allen, Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen at #4.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Did Cleveland even dangle that the lottery pick was available?

they would have definitely dealt it if there was someone worth it

so i ask again--- do you think there was anyone remotely worth it that was available?

I sure as hell didnt see anyone or hear anything to that effect.

Boston- that was not a realistic trade partner
Brooklyn- no one remotely worth it
NYK- only player worth it- Porzingis- would not have been avaliable- and just had a major injury
Philly- never were trading with the Cavs--- and the only guys worth it, Simmons, Embiid would not have been avaliale
Toronto- no one worth it outside of DeRozan and Lowry who were not avaliable

Bulls- no one remotely worth it
Pistons--- maybe Drummond?
Indiana--- Oladipo or Turner only guys wroth it- neither of which Indiana would move
Bucks--- were never trading with the Cavs since they are trying to win- but a combination of Middleton/Brogdon might have been intriguing

Atlanta-- LOL
Charlotte--- Cavs explored a Kemba deal- but it didnt work out- not sure if thats worth it anyway since they would have made the Cavs take Marvin Williams. This is one of the places where negotiations did take place between the teams
Miami- LOL
Magic- LOL
Wizards- were never trading Beale or Wall- only 2 guys worth discussing

Golden State- LOL
LA clippers- no one worth discussing besides DJ who we already talked about as not remotely worth it
Lakers- LOL- def. didnt have the vet the Cavs were looking for
Suns- LOL
Kings- LOL

Mavs- LOL- no one remotely worth it
Rockets- never were trading for a lotto pick and giving up win now talent
Memphis- I would have considered Gasol but they made it clear he was unavaiable.
Pelicans--- never were trading for a lotto pick and giving up win now talent--- and Cousins, the guy that wouldve been an optioned blew out his achilees
Spurs- no one remotely worth it outside of Kawhi and Aldridge- and the Spurs were obviously not giving up win now talent for a lotto pick

Nuggets- trying to win now- besides Jokic who is worth it? maybe a combo of Jamal Murray and Will Barton or something? didnt really make sense
Minnesota---- They said they werent trading Wiggins---- only guy worth discussing as Towns and Butler wre obviously unavailbe
OKC--- there were thoughts George might become avaliable if the Thunder sunk in the standings but he never became avaliable
Portland---- def were not willing to move McCollum-no one else remotely worth it
Jazz---- only guys worth it--- Mitchell and Gobert were never going to be traded

So that leaves you with the guys that were even CLOSE to options being- DeAndre Jordan, Kemba Walker, Andre Drummond at the time of the trade deadline

Depending on what direction teams are willing to go- and if the Cavs move up- a lot of guys could become avaliable- if Memphis changes their mind and wants to rebuild maybe Gasol, maybe McCollum, maybe even Leonard or Wall if the pick jumps up--- maybe Wiggins if the Twolves want to shake it up.